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Old 9-Nov-2005   #1
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Hypertufa Slab

The Columbus club is going to be doing a two-part slab/forest workshop, building hypertufa slabs in February and planting larch (or trident) groups in April.

If anyone has any experience with or advice about using hypertufa, now would be a great time to share it.

Or just update us on your hypertufa projects (*ahem*EARTHGRRL*ahem*)

thanx!

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Old 29-Dec-2005   #2
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In my thread called Literatigustrum you can see a pot that I made from Hypertufa(it was made a little heavy,...more cement than usual) but one thing that'll help is if you water cure your peice for at least 24 hours after it dries( just let it dry then pop it in a tub of water and let soak) I also used spray paint, minwax wood stain marker,and paint thinner to add color to mine then I burried it in mud for about 3 weeks to darken the crevices, and let the paints and chemicals all harden fully. it's a real strong pot now. My first and only attempt thus far in pot making.
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Old 29-Dec-2005   #3
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The employees at the store I work at had a Hypertufa party las summer.
The ingredients that were used were Portland cement, Canadian Peat, some loose fiberglass strands, Perlite and of course sufficient water. The peat will give color as well as being a filler. Sorry I don't have the proportions handy.
We made these to be used as garden planters so we used cardboard boxes as forms.

Line the cardboard box with plastic such as a trash bag, place the cement mixture into the box. We used round wooden dowels placed in the bottom to create drain holes. The length of the dowels should be equal to the desired thickness of the bottom of the cantainer being made.
A smaller box was then placed into the larger one on top of the cement mix to create the inner portion of the mold. The outer side of this smaller box should also be covered with plastic to keep it dry and from sticking.

Holding the box in place we then "filled" the sides between the two boxes to create the walls of the container to be.
The initial hardening off takes place in 24 hours after which time the inner box should be removed.
We let them set for another 24 hours before removing the piece from the box.

At this time the piece can be textured and refined and any sharp edges removed.
Coloring could be added as desired available at stores that sell the color additives.
It was a lot of fun and this summer I will attempt a slab of this material.

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Old 29-Dec-2005   #4
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Thanks, Hec!

Our board meets in a few days to plan the project, so any other bonsaiTALK member, or maybe an EartgrrlOK, please chime in with more.

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Old 29-Dec-2005   #5
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I made several hypertufa troughs last winter using the cement/peat/perlite mix. Because these were larger containers (from 20" to 36" in length and 12" high) I added the fiberglass fibers to resist cracking. There is also a liquid acrylic hardener that can be added to the water when mixing that seems to improve durability.


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JLB sent me a PM with some good info, so with his permission, here it is:

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I am sending this a pm to see if you can understand it before posting.

I have made several slabs using cement, peat moss and vermiculite. I added fiber obtained form the local cement company. The fiber is used to reinforce cement floors, foundation, etc. I use equal parts of cement, peat moss, and vermiculite. For each slab I add cement coloring, purchased at Home Depot. About a cup per slab is enough. The best color I have found is a half-and-half mixture of brown and black. To this I add a handful of the fiber. Mix all the ingredients dry and then add water to make a thick paste. Be careful with the water, it is not hard to get to much water. If you do you can add more of the dry mix.

For each slab you need a piece of plywood larger than the slab and a piece of plastic, I use garbage bags.

Cover the plywood with plastic, dump you mixed dry stuff on the plastic covered board, start adding water until you have a mixture of stiff mud. Work the mixture into the desired shape. Thickness is really a function of size, the larger the slab the thicker it needs to be. For most 2 feet or less a thickness of 1 inch is plenty. You can taper the edges some. When you are all done with shape, size and thickness you can put a rolled towel under the edges to raise the edges to make a slight bowl look and give the slab a more natural look. Put the towel between the plastic and the plywood board. You can raise the slab slightly by pulling the plastic us and pushing the rolled towel under the plastic. Work your way slowly around the edges until you have the desired shape. You can make some nice shapes with the side at different heights. If you have cracks when working on the edges just smooth them out with a wet hand. You can use a stick to make drainage holes now or wait and drill them later. Take the whole thing and put it in a garbage bag and close the end. This allows the whole thing to dry evenly and slowly. After a 3 or 4 days you can carefully take it out of the bag and make sure your drain holes are all ok or drill drain holes using a normal ½ in drill bit. The slab is still quite soft and is easily broken at this stage so don’t move it too much. If it seems hard enough you can take it off the plywood but his is not required and increases the chances of breaking the slab. Put it back in the bag and sit it on a shelf somewhere for about 4 to 6 weeks. This allows it to dry slowly and being sealed in the garbage bag keeps it moist. When it comes out of the bag after curing use a wire brush to give it a more natural look. The whole process is harder to write about than do. The mixture is not written in stone and people use many different ingredients. The one thing I think is essential is the fiber. There are a variety of colors available and the slab can be painted after it is cured. I almost forgot when the slab is done curing you will have some fiber sticking out of the surface. I use a propane torch and go over the slab and all the little ends of fiber disappear.

To make the slab once you have mixture you can use a rolling pin to roll out the slab but I usually just use my hand. Rubber gloves should be used. Cement is hard on the hands. A word of caution with peat moss, don’t breathe the dust, as it can be harmful. I have found that if you are gentle in dumping when measuring and mixing there is not much dust. If this is not clear let me know and I will try to help.

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JLB sent me a PM with some good info, so with his permission, here it is:
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I have made several slabs using cement, peat moss and vermiculite. I added fiber obtained form the local cement company. The fiber is used to reinforce cement floors, foundation, etc. I use equal parts of cement, peat moss, and vermiculite. For each slab I add cement coloring, purchased at Home Depot. About a cup per slab is enough. The best color I have found is a half-and-half mixture of brown and black. To this I add a handful of the fiber. Mix all the ingredients dry and then add water to make a thick paste. Be careful with the water, it is not hard to get to much water. If you do you can add more of the dry mix.
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When you say you used use "equal parts of cement, peat moss, and vermiculite", does that mean if you used (lets say) 1cup cement the peat and vermiculite would also be 1cup each? If not please explane what the proper measurements would be.
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Equal parts or one cup cement , one cup peat, one cup cement as an example.
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I haven't made a slab, but I did make some small cascade type pots a couple of years ago.

lessons learned;

Use a little more cement than peat moss or vermiculite.

Perlite is an interesting texture to use and makes it lighter.

It can be stained or painted.

If you add concrete stain, then use less water.

Be patient when removing it from the shaping form. Impatience can be disastrous.

I didn't coat any of mine, and the hypertufa mixture really wicked moisture. For a person that gets a little careless with watering, that proved to be deadly a couple of times. I think the ciment fondue, or the use of some kind of sealant might resolve this problem.

I sold all of the ones I made at a bonsai club swap meet, so I don't have any pics.

In the future, I'll experiment with the fondue if I can find it without ordering it, and I will definitely do a slab. I do like the rough texture that can be easily achieed with the hypertufa mix.

I really can't add very much to the discussion-you guys have done more than I have.
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