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Old 8-Jun-2006   #11
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That looks very goo

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Really nice, truly

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Old 8-Jun-2006   #12
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Just to complete the thread, I had a great time. I was shown/taught wiring like I've never known. My technique/results suck when I wire. I was forced to wire a lot more than I ever have with some instruction as to why you do what you do. I probably won't be the best at explaining it but I understand a lot better.

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I usually tell folks in a demo that "Wireing seperates the men from the boys ( Or the women from the girls)" !
Always be leery of a demonstrator or teacher that says "I hate to wire" and then doesn't! Chances are he never did, never bothered to learn, never practiced and probably can't style a tree either. It is essential to becoming a good bonsai stylist.
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Old 8-Jun-2006   #13
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Well, let it be known that I'll NOT be giving lessons anytime soon.

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Old 8-Jun-2006   #14
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[QUOTE=bwaynef]

I'm working thru the staggered approach to needle plucking. 1st week of june (at the workshop) pluck the lower 3rd of branches. 2nd week, the middle 3rd. The 3rd week I pluck the upper 3rd , each week leaving progressively less needles per branch.

Thats why it looks a little needle-heavy up top.

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Hi bwaynef, This technique you are using here where probably told to you during this workshop, so if you don't mind me asking: what is the sort after result by doing this? Because in my opinion, it sounds like the wrong thing to do. But i could be completely wrong or don't know abouth this technique ! So please can you tel me what you have been told?
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Hans, I'll try to summarize very quickly.

During the first week of june (thats when it works out HERE, timing varies with location) you pluck the lower branches needles. This gives them the longest time to grow and increases the vigor of the plant in its lowest extremity.

The second week I pluck needles in the middle 1/3rd. This slows down the middle compared to the bottom, but it still gets a head start on the top 3rd.

The 3rd week I pluck the needles of the top 1/3rd of the tree. This will result in a little less vigor in the top, as well as reduced needle-length.

At least thats how I understood it. I'll read some more of the sheets he gave out and make sure I'm representing it correctly tonight. Thanks for your comments.
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Hans, I'll try to summarize very quickly.

During the first week of june (thats when it works out HERE, timing varies with location) you pluck the lower branches needles. This gives them the longest time to grow and increases the vigor of the plant in its lowest extremity.

The second week I pluck needles in the middle 1/3rd. This slows down the middle compared to the bottom, but it still gets a head start on the top 3rd.

The 3rd week I pluck the needles of the top 1/3rd of the tree. This will result in a little less vigor in the top, as well as reduced needle-length.

At least thats how I understood it. I'll read some more of the sheets he gave out and make sure I'm representing it correctly tonight. Thanks for your comments.

HI Bwaynef,
Shouldn't you pinch the candles, than the buds will have a head start ? If you pluck needles there will be no extra growth in the future, quit the opposite will happen: your stopping growth. Needle removing is normally don in the later part of summer.
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The technique is for needle reduction. Come to think of it I might be a little early to concern myself with needle reduction yet, though it apparently yields a plethora of buds which might help in ramification.

I'll let you read the technique directly to avoid confusion from my "translation" of it.
http://www.bonsailearningcenter.com...lereduction.htm
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THe technique you spoke of IS a correct way of not only cleaning second year needles and letting light into the center of tree to improve backbudding , but also to even the vigor of the tree . THe process you wrote of is a good way to regulate the vigor of tree by keeping more needles on lower branches and less on top your regulating the amount of photosyenthisis up top to keep the top in check and keeping the lower branches from dying back , which tends to happen if you keep top vigorous and let bottom branches weaken natuarally. the candle removal and pinching is a whole different issue although interralated to needle reduction , and different proccess entirely not to be confused with needle reduction . Hope this helps
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