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13-Jun-2004	#1
washout03 bonsaiTALK Artisan Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Chicago Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 143	Pine Ground Layer How long do pines generally take to layer to the point they can be cut off? I have some kind of pine (maybe a mugho) that has been growing im my yard for at least 25 years, but its very twisted and at its highest is only 3 feet tall. There is one "branch" that grows sideways along the ground and then comes up in a style I've seen many Ponderosa styled in. It looks like it could be a good tree with a little work. I made a ground layer about two weeks ago, and I'm wondering how long it will be till i can dig it up. I know pines are slow to root, so im not expecting any time this year or even next year. Thanks, Tom

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13-Jun-2004	#2
kvnharv29 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Aug-2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 304	From what Ive read, Pines are slower to root while layering but as decidous trees take about 2-3 months, pines take about 5-6 months from the time the layer was performed. Two weeks ago may have been alittle too late. Its best to start in early spring. -Kevin __________________ "Yes Daniel-san" -Mr. Miagi- Very addicting and extremely fun online game. Play Mercenary Mayhem here: http://mercenarymayhem.com/register.php?REF=1228

13-Jun-2004	#3
washout03 bonsaiTALK Artisan Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Chicago Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 143	It was still relatively cold up here two weeks ago. If I left it there until next year would it make up for the late start? Tom

13-Jun-2004	#4
kvnharv29 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Aug-2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 304	Im not too sure about Pines, but when it doesnt work the first year on a maple, cutting open the same wound again the next year can still yield results(unless the branch dies). We will have to get someone more experienced to weigh in on this. Have you thought about collecting/digging it up? -Kevin __________________ "Yes Daniel-san" -Mr. Miagi- Very addicting and extremely fun online game. Play Mercenary Mayhem here: http://mercenarymayhem.com/register.php?REF=1228

13-Jun-2004	#5
washout03 bonsaiTALK Artisan Join Date: Mar-2004 Location: Chicago Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 143	well there are two problems with that idea. 1) i only have permission from my parents to take the one branch/trunk and 2) the bush itself is at least 50 years old so i dont think i could get to the roots. That said, I'll check tomorrow and see if the branch groundlayered itself closer to the middle. Thanks for your input, it is appreciated. Tom

13-Jun-2004	#6
kvnharv29 bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Aug-2003 Location: Overland Park, KS Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 304	You may want to try a search on this site. I tried one for "pine layering" and came up with a couple threads. I did find that a multi season layer is possible. Im sure someone else will help out better. -Kevin __________________ "Yes Daniel-san" -Mr. Miagi- Very addicting and extremely fun online game. Play Mercenary Mayhem here: http://mercenarymayhem.com/register.php?REF=1228

14-Jun-2004	#7
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13-Jul-2004	#8
vtbonsaichief Propagateur Extrordinaire Join Date: Jul-2004 Location: Saranac Lake, NY Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 117	It should probably be noted that of the pines Mugo pine is probably the easiest to root, so I think you have a good chance with the ground layer, especially since this is one of its prefered methods of propagation in the wild. just try not to disturb it too much and keep it from drying out around the layering area. __________________ "I am Treeman, Master of the universe!"

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