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I have never experienced this, nor heard or read of it. Can you tell me more about your experience with leaves dropping when the tree is watered in the heat of the day?

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Matt

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rglewis49

I should have elaberated on that a little. I dont believe this pertains to established bonsai. but if growing out seedling for a few years, i believe if you get the leaves wet while the sun is beating down on the tree, the droplets of water will act as a magnifying glass, causing the leaves to burn and drop. There is no harm in just watering the soil, but getting the leaves wet will cause them to burn. Correct?

Carl_Bergstrom

No. Urban legend.

I just sprayed the foliage of my japanese maples - many cultivars - 15 minutes ago. It's 96 in Seattle today, and they're in direct afternoon sun. I'll let you know if I have any problems, but I've done this for years without ever a burn.

-Carl

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rglewis49

"Watering the leaves in full sun during the hot summer months causes a leaf scorch problem, especially with container grown specimans. Watering in early morning, or early evening during the hottest weather, prevents this type of scorch"

taken from "Japanese Maples" by JD Vertrees, 3rd edition page 65



Im not saying your wrong. Just stating what I read. And coming from this book(often called the Japanese Maple bible) I take it to heart. Of course, different people in different climates will have different experiences i suppose.

Which cultivars do you have in full afternoon sun? I have a butterfly, toyama nishiki, and Omure yama that I have growing in containers for now. Im going to put them in the landscape this fall, but scared to death to put them in full sun. Let me know, I have plenty of room for trees in full sun, and limted space in the shade. If you can let me know which cultivars you have in sun, i could just buy some of them and plant them out along with these.

Carl_Bergstrom

Hello,

First of all, in general I'd always believe Vertrees over something I read on the internet, so I don't blame you for your skepticism.

Maybe Vertrees's warning is necessary in some places that get really hard sun, but I've not experienced this first-hand. I've had a number of maple experts tell me that Vertrees is just plain wrong on this one.

With respect to your other question, I've got the following cultivars in full sun, though note that full sun here in Seattle is not like full sun in Texas. Today's 96 degree is very rare.

A. p. `Sharp's pigmy'
A. p. `Villa taranto'
A. p. `Mikawa yatsuba'
A .p. `Kiyohime'
A. p. `Yurihime'
A. p. `Kamagata'
A. p. `Hogyoku'
A. p. `Sangu kaku'
A. p. `Crimson queen'
A. p. `Fireglow'
A. p. `Red Pigmy'
A. shirasawanum `Aureum'
A. shirasawanum `Autumn moon'

Various other cultivars are "hiding" in part sun under my grape arbor.

With my best regards,
Carl

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rglewis49

Thanks. Im not in Texas, Im in South Carolina. Usually stays around high 80's, low 90's here. Sounds like your a maple lover as well. Do you get yours at nurseries or somehwere online? ive been trying to find a red pygmy, but have not had any success.

Carl_Bergstrom

Hello,

I was just using Texas as an example; without a location or USDA zone, I didn't know where you might be.

Your place is considerably warmer than ours; I would think that not all of the cultivars above would do well in direct sun in your location.

I've bought most of these from local nurseries or from a friend who does beautiful grafting. He grafted one of my red pigmy, and I picked up the other at a nursery. It's a nice cultivar, though I like the bolder leaves of Villa taranto even more. Just a couple of have been mail-order.

With my best regards,
Carl

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xtal

amoroso, seeing that you are just begining, i would like to suggest that you try an alternate material to work with. i live in las vegas so i know where you are coming from, it's a difficult climate to keep anything alive in, when you don't have much experience. so before you put a lot of time and energy into some maples maybe you should first try something thats already equipped to handle that heat
JUNIPERS! they are great to start with and love that sun. i have never tried shimpaku but i have great success with procumbens nana.
if you like deciduous stuff [i know i do] see if you can find a Vitex agnus-castus "chaste tree".
these trees are sold as landscape material in the desert. they have 5 lobed leaves [kindof like japanese maple, but without the serrated edge] that change color to red/orange in the fall and in the summer they bloom in beautiful blue-purple cones
i also have good luck with bouganvillea and ficus.
here's a picture of vitex leaves/blooms

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timeless

Camay do you do anything other than standard strat. on the seeds? I have only purchased from Seedrack once. The seeds sprouted almost immediately but they were not what I had ordered. They looked like a little weed about an inch tall with tiny purple flowers. I e-mailed them but they have not responded.

I also bought from several others on e-bay and out of about a thousand seed I have 3 plants (1 pine and 2 dwarf pomegranites). ANy info, you share will be greatly appreciated.