bonsaiTALK Home Page  

Go Back   bonsaiTALK Community > Misc > Propagation
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
Forum Gallery Weather Journals Links Webring Wiki NEW:Shop
Articles Opinion T.O.D. NEW:Radio Contests Humor NEW: Auctions! Donate


¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
bonsaiTALK Hint: Did you know you can double click any bonsai term on this page for its definition?
Old 14-Mar-2002   #1
MushaMan
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar-2002
Posts: 21
Send a message via ICQ to MushaMan Send a message via AIM to MushaMan Send a message via Yahoo to MushaMan
¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

I am a fairly new bonsai'er and i was thinking of trying some air layering to take a cutting off a Japanese Maple in my front yard. *My main concern is that I am unsure of when the "best" time to do this is. *I live in Seattle, WA and it seems the seasons change so slow here the plants get confused. *
It is the middle of march now, and I am getting antsy already. *Should i wait till spring or would it be fine to start now? *also, does anyone have any other suggestions on airlayering; especially pertaining to japanese maples in particular. *This will also be my first 'outdoor' air layering experiment, so i am previously inexperienced in dealing with the seasons. *
also, does black plastic work significantly better?? *For some reason i thought the light on the outside would prune the roots back naturally and help them create a stronger more diverse rootball? *am i crazy?
musha :
MushaMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsor Message ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?
Advertisement
Forum Sponsor
Old 14-Mar-2002   #2
TreeBay
Tips:5¢ Advice:Free
TreeBay's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
TreeBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug-2001
Location: Silicon Valley
Country: USA
Posts: 9,737
Send a message via AIM to TreeBay Click Here to Skype TreeBay
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

I have only ever used clear plastic. _It helps to be able to know when to judge watering and remove the layer after the roots lignify and turn a bit brown.

Most of what I have read suggests waiting until the spring growth hardens before setting up the layer, but since you're using a garden tree, I think it might be worth trying an experiment and testing whether you get better success with early or late season layering.

Books are fine, but until you get a process dialed-in that works for you, it's hard to guarantee success.

there are some nice diagrams here:

photos & how to:
http://www.bonsaitree.com/bonsaiaid...les/abal_1.html

diagrams:
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/...r/airlayer.html

but the advice with regard to making a slit in the branch rather than ring girdling... take into consideration that the second article is talking about a basic plant propagation process, not getting a perfect radial root system, so I would go with the ring girdle. _And wait a while longer on separating the layer so you can be sure it will survive.

More info in bonsaiTALK Links under techniques-> propagation, and also the ***FAQ***

Regards,

Matt
__________________
Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today!
bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!
TreeBay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-Mar-2002   #3
MushaMan
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar-2002
Posts: 21
Send a message via ICQ to MushaMan Send a message via AIM to MushaMan Send a message via Yahoo to MushaMan
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Thx for the quick reply Treebay Matt. Great help for a beginner like me. Every time i read another article on "air layering" i expect to read the same thing, unfortunately everyone has their own advice to confuse me.
Also, the ring girdle is the only method i've tried, the tongue and slit method just seems a little sloppy for me. however, i have read that using an extremely tight piece of wire around the top of the wound will help keep the wound from callusing over instead of rooting. Any experience with the wire constriction? Lastly, i was wondering what the largest diameter i should attempt to take, the spot i'm looking at is about 1 1/2 inces diameter. Will that be alright?
Musha
MushaMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-Mar-2002   #4
TreeBay
Tips:5¢ Advice:Free
TreeBay's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
TreeBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug-2001
Location: Silicon Valley
Country: USA
Posts: 9,737
Send a message via AIM to TreeBay Click Here to Skype TreeBay
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

There is an examples of large (12-15&quot diameter cryptomeria air layered successfully, so I don't know that there is a practical limit, provided you leave enough tree below the layer to sustain the root system because it won't be being fed by the tree any longer

There are actually two methods for the wire. The faint-of-heart method is to apply a tourniquet around the trunk and just wait for it to grow into the wire

The other method is to ring bark the tree. Cut around the perimeter at two levels, usually a distance apart should be at least 1/2 and up to 1x the diameter of the branch. So about an inch should be ideal in your case. Cut down to wood and remove all the bark between. Then after cleaning up the wound edge with a knife and applying rooting hormone, (the upper edge - lower doesn't matter) optionally a couple of thick diameter wires can be laid right up against the edge of the wound and put on very tightly.

One article has photos of this Japanese guy setting it with a peen hammer all around the trunk. Really pounding it in.

Then there is the damp sphagnum and poly treatment and just be sure it doesn't dry out. It won't need a huge amount of water because the roots aren't there to drink it yet, and the layered branch's needs will be met largely by the translocation of water through the xylem of the wood within.

Layering is a nice way to make a twin trunk maple with trunks right at the base. Ideally they should have a U union and not a V shaped one. That gives the trunks room to grow without growing together.

Hope that hits the spot,

Regards,

Matt
__________________
Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today!
bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!
TreeBay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-Mar-2002   #5
Jay
YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME
Jay's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
Jay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep-2001
Location: Jeffersonville Vt
Country: USA
Posts: 2,145
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Air-Layering Follow-Up Question
When you cut through the bark..all the way to the hardwood, does this not disconnect 'the to be layered' from the roots? What is the difference between this and removing the piece completely and placing it in a spagnum moss filled pot?

I know there is a reason, just trying to understand it!

Jay
__________________
A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49...
Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing
Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-Mar-2002   #6
TreeBay
Tips:5¢ Advice:Free
TreeBay's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
TreeBay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug-2001
Location: Silicon Valley
Country: USA
Posts: 9,737
Send a message via AIM to TreeBay Click Here to Skype TreeBay
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Wood makes up the bulk of the mass of a mature tree. It is relatively inactive from a physiological standpoint, but it does serve to store water, as well as its chief function of providing a scaffolding support to the tree.

The wood of most trees is saturated with water. If you compare two extreme examples of balsa, an extremely light wood and oak, a very dense wood, you would find that when the trees are alive the weights of their wood are much more comparable because the wood is saturated with water.

With that background you can understand that a section of wood has the potential to conduct enough moisture to sustain the layered branch while it is developing its own roots.

Regards,

Matt
__________________
Want to be a seller on bonsaiAUCTIONS? Get authorized today!
bonsaiTALK: Over 100,005.36 Megabytes Served this Month!
TreeBay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-Mar-2002   #7
Jay
YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME
Jay's a bonsaiTALK supporter! Click Here to find out how you can be one too!
 
Jay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep-2001
Location: Jeffersonville Vt
Country: USA
Posts: 2,145
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Again...Thank you. It makes things so much nicer to know why things work. Or at least why you hope they will work!
Jay
__________________
A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49...
Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing
Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-Mar-2002   #8
MushaMan
bonsaiTALK Journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar-2002
Posts: 21
Send a message via ICQ to MushaMan Send a message via AIM to MushaMan Send a message via Yahoo to MushaMan
Re: ¿¡ Air Layering Japanese Maple !?

Thanks matt, u cleared up waht i was wondering. *My problem is that i thought the wire tourniquet and the ring girdle would be used at the same time, obviously i was wrong. *I have air layered successfully in the past, and that is the only method i've ever tried. *However I recently read about all sorts of different patterns, such as taking only a large Double Helix of bark off. *I was thinking about trying this, thinking it may create an interesting root structure. *Who knows... Also, thanks alot for the diameter reference, I was worried about a fairly small branch compared to 12"-15" so now i feel even more confident. *Now that i know i can take larger branches... Im going to go buy some more rooting hormone, i'm excited. Speaking of which, does anyone have any suggestions for the hormone?
MushaMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Glossary - Bonsai Terms & Japanese TreeBay bonsaiTALK FAQ 2 6-Jun-2005 09:20 PM
What is Air Layering? TreeBay bonsaiTALK FAQ 6 28-Nov-2003 06:01 AM
Air Layering A Japanese Maple stephentoddpope Propagation 30 18-Sep-2002 06:08 AM
Air layering Japanese Maple mwbenson Species Specific 2 31-Aug-2002 06:34 PM
air layering japanese larch craig Propagation 1 28-Jul-2002 04:46 AM


All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin v3.6.5
Copyright ©2000-2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8