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22-Apr-2005
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Tree of the Day - Friday, April 22, 2005
This forum is an experiment that has evolved out of some of the activities on the bonsaischool program.
I'm going to select a bonsai each day to spark group discussion.
ABOUT TODAY'S TREE: Today's tree is a group of 20 Japanese Larches (Larix kaempferi) on a simulated stone slab. You can make notes with the pencil tool underneath the attachment.
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22-Apr-2005
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What to say about this group, nice slab, nice composition in all very nice.
I just feel wandering through the forrest  Just 2 very little remarks, I think that in the 2 places displayed in my virtual, the folliage needs to spread out/thicken, to get it closer together. There's nothing more I would do. Wessel
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22-Apr-2005
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Air Assault All The Way.
 
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A nice forest. Good trunk diameter variation and placement of individual trees, overall.
Two areas I don't quite understand are the small tree in the front near the right side (I'd prefer it was removed), and that area where I have the arrow seems to be a separation between two groves. I would like the ground cover to reflect a dry creek bed or gully with a slight depression. It is a little too "right-angle" perfect as is, in my opinion. Although I didn't do it in the virtual, if the ground cover extended just a little more on the right with a slight taper, it would improve the design. Another very nice specimen. Edit: The second forest virtual is with the highest trees lowered somewhat, and the ground cover expanded. I am curious if anyone else "sees" the separation between two groves, or is that just me? If there is a separation, I just like to see a reason for it. For those who don't like gullies, creek beds, etc.; I see your point as well, but I just prefer them.
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22-Apr-2005
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Very nice larch forest. If this were my forest, I wouldn't change a thing.
The spaces between the trees are well placed, appearing natural and not contrived. The foliage as a whole has a pleasing triangular shape and beautifully frames the group. The progression of height from front to back and from left to right gives this piece great perspective. I am glad to see just a forest with trees, the winding stream, wagon trail, gully are represented enough in other forests, sometimes so often that it is almost expected. It is refreshing to see the use of only trees to tell the story. I only count 17 trees... Will Last edited by Will_Heath : 22-Apr-2005 at 09:33 AM. |
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22-Apr-2005
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I like it as it is, but can also see Johns' point with the ground covering.
My virt, just adds that on. (I can cope quickly with that task  )I agree with Will, I can only see 17 trees. Very nice. Ian. |
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22-Apr-2005
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Well, this is a nice planting. But if it were mine I would change it. As it stands the image seems very static to me. I would like to see things spread out just slightly to accomodate a less regular distribution of trees, which in this case would mean a little bit more clumping -- all keeping the basic outline it has now if possible.
No paths!
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22-Apr-2005
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first impression (without read other posts).
I like it a lot. The needles seemed too big but then I felt they are ok. Then the curved trunk, left of the center gap, stuck out. The top is hiden but the trunk is too obvious. I think that is the only distractor. walt (now I'll read what others said) |
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22-Apr-2005
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I agree with John Dixon,
The center of the planting, to me, looks sort of symetrical; 3 trees lined up on either side, as if they were columns on a greek building (or is it roman. i'm always getting my ancient cultures confused!). I however did not think of the solution of creating a "gully", which i think would fix the problem. However, I don't think the stream should be created as flowing toward the center, but should move off to the left some before reaching the end of the slab (sorry I'm having a hard time articulating here). The larger problem, in my view, is the tree on the right side that john pointed out. the center of the planting wouldn't bother me as much if that thin tree at front right were removed or moved to the back somewheres. From the picture it appars that this is actually the closest tree to the viewer, and yet is the thinnest tree in the planting. These are the two areas that caught my eye upon taking a few minutes to view this very lovely planting. I'd like it better if these minor changes were incorporated. Toby Edit: upon viewing john dixons virtual again i realized that he did make the stream move off to the right before reaching the end of the slab. i think this is fine too, so long as it doesn't move straight towards the viewer.
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I count 18 trees. A great looking forest. Wish it were mine. -Paul
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Toby, I think you articulated that very well. I'm glad you pointed out the thin trunk in the front. "Traditional" forests can give the illusion of close up and far away views simply by gradual change of individual trees from large to small (close up view, the most common) or small to large trees (far away view). I can't remember who covered it the best, but I think Amy Chiang has good examples of this in her book (Living Art of Bonsai?). With the small trunk up front in competition with the larger ones, the view is neutral as related to perceived distance. I have to admit most copsis (Sp?) I see in nature are varied such as this, so maybe this is a more naturalistic grouping. Yes I feel the "gully" should turn right from the viewer's standpoint. This gives depth as the left side "group" appears closer than the right one, in a very subtle yet obvious fashion. I like that, and I feel it shows great artistic talent. For the record, I am not implying a lack of "worth" on the part of the original composition, far from that. I feel the whole spirit of the TOD thread is to make remarks about how you would "personalize" the subject specimen. I like to point out attributes as well, and that is important, but by seeing what other people would do to change a composition is a great learning tool. I sincerely hope that all viewers, regardless of experience, will take full advantage of this wonderful addition to bonsaiTALK. Everyone touts the fine skills of Walter Pall on this website (and rightfully so) to a point where I wonder if he gets embarrassed, but there are many other talented individuals out there as well. Please take advantage of this thread. You may be the next "great" one. I think that if we all did bonsai exactly the same, it would become a very boring endeavor. I love to see and read what others would do differently. What a great forum this is. John
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