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Old 21-Feb-2008   #11
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The stand looks like it would be better for a semi-cascade. This rugged plant appears to be perched up to high esp with such a narrow connection to the soil.
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Old 21-Feb-2008   #12
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Humble opinion

Hello Chris... here is another video critique.

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Old 8-Mar-2008   #13
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Not only is the accent planting too small, but it is alo the wrong color scheme. I found the strong contrast in color really distracting. Really looks out of place.
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Old 9-Mar-2008   #14
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G'day all...

Late, but better than never...I think...

My thoughs...

Beautiful bonsai...the foliage...wonderful...nicely done. But, the foliage belongs on a younger bonsai. It is too much for this majestic, ancient trunk. As Jeff said "...the top needs to be thinned out...". However, I would go a bit further and thin out the entire foliage mass...the better to show more of the branching.

Further, I agree with what Behr said "…it really does not 'need' an accent plant or any other accoutrement's to be properly appreciated...". It is complete of, and by itself.

One last thing...as kingkong said the "…plant appears to be perched up to high...". It doesn't need the elevation.

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Old 13-Mar-2008   #15
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G'day all...

Late, but better than never...I think...

My thoughs...

Beautiful bonsai...the foliage...wonderful...nicely done. But, the foliage belongs on a younger bonsai. It is too much for this majestic, ancient trunk. As Jeff said "...the top needs to be thinned out...". However, I would go a bit further and thin out the entire foliage mass...the better to show more of the branching.

Further, I agree with what Behr said "…it really does not 'need' an accent plant or any other accoutrement's to be properly appreciated...". It is complete of, and by itself.

One last thing...as kingkong said the "…plant appears to be perched up to high...". It doesn't need the elevation.

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Pat,
Thanks for your input. In my opinion, the foliage only needs some arrangement into better layers. This will open up the structure some more. I believe that the trend toward showing collected specimens with such sparse foliage, popularized by Herb Gustafson and others, leads us to keep our trees too sparse, which also keeps them weak. Here's and example of a Sierra juniper at around 8000 feet. Near as I could tell, the base was six to eight feet across.

This clearly shows that the full look for these trees can be considered very natural. It doesn't mean, however, that every tree must be styled this way.
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Old 14-Mar-2008   #16
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G'day KC...

That's a mighty good example to support your statement: "...full look for these trees can be considered very natural...".

I too have seen many trees in the Sierras that support your statement. But I've seen as many, probably more, wearing less than full foliage.

Some years back, in an earlier phase of my life, bonsai was second to back packing, and I spent mucho, mucho time in the High Sierras...and other wild and remote areas. The back packing ended when my wife and I, both, encountered physical and health problems.

To me, "less" tells a better tale of the harsh conditions, and the struggle for survival that these magnificant specimens have weathered.

"Less" works better for me, however, I do respect your opinion.

Finally, KC, I really do enjoy your display critiques posts. Nice contribution to the bonsaiTALK arena.

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John, I finally got the chance to view your critique. I agree that more defined foliage pads would be appropriate, and I am intrigued by your ideas for carving the deadwood. Thanks for the contributions!
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Old 18-Mar-2008   #18
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In my opinion, this is another one of those beautiful 'strong' trees which would be much better displayed alone...It is quite possible an accent could be created to compliment the tree, however it really does not 'need' an accent plant or any other accoutrement's to be properly appreciated...This work has fantastic line, form, and movement, all contained within the tree...With the overall shape it leads the eye through the trunk, canopy, negative space, and protruding root/branch at the bottom left of the trunk, to begin the eye journey all over again, and observe those things over looked on the first pass...The second, and succeeding passes allows one to observe more and more detail with each journey of the eye...Is it possible to improve this movement by adding any object which will distract from this movement and lead the eye away from it?...
The bonsai club I first belonged to used to never use companion plants. They did not use stands. They did not use table cloths. They did not moss the trees. Usually they did not take off the fertilizer cakes. We would display our trees in all their natural glory including the flies hovering around the fertilizer cakes. The natural manure smell took me back to my younger years playing with my cousins on the farm - it was beautiful.

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Concerning the mentioned 'reverse taper', this is only true IF the viewer in their own judgment finds it necessary to observe this as a miniature tree, or refuses to judge a work by anything other than the accepted 'rules'...
I would never look at this miniature tree as if it were a miniature tree. Heavens no. That's why you don't need a companion or any of that other artsy fartsy crap.

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This tree would be better observed in the manner one would view a sculpture...It is truly a beautiful, 'natural appearing', living, sculpture...I appreciate the manner in which the canopy has been developed to further enhance the very natural appearance of the wonderful deadwood...The fact that it has not been 'dumbed down' to the over manicured appearance of the 'green helmet' is one of its' most outstanding features in my eyes...The foliage works very well to enhance and compliment the deadwood rather than compete with it...
I was talking to my good friend Kazoo (used to be a guest star in 'The Flintstones') and he really took offense at that dumbed down green helmet comment. He went on to say that he really admired bonsai artists that spent hours upon hours learning how to wire a tree to improve its appearance and raise the artistic bar. I showed him a picture of this tree and he believes that in the future when this tree matures more as a bonsai it too may honor him with the Kazoo look.

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IF the viewer only has the ability to appreciate how well a tree conforms to the so-called 'rules', they are limiting their own appreciation of an art-form which has many possibilities far beyond those guidelines...
Ignore history and reinvent the wheel or stand on the shoulders of our giant artistic ancestors and ride the clouds. The choice is ours.
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I think the tree would be better displayed on the right. While the early movement of the trunk leads the eye into the display, the apex of the tree ultimately brings the eye out of the display, towards the left. In fact, after I made the virtual, with the tree on the right, the inverse taper you pointed out also seems less distracting.
I agree with John here, the tree should flow into the display not away from it.
Awesome tree!

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Old 19-Mar-2008   #20
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There's a great balance between the amount of shari to foliage which helps me appreciate this piece, I dont even like junipers. The curve leading up the tree tends to lead my eye into a circular pattern. my first impression was that it needed a slight more delineation between the pads and show a little more branching. The fact it's not triangular or rounded helps the overall composition. I wanted to form some of my own ideas before I scrolled down the pages.Then I started reading the critiques I was struck by some wanting to reduce the foliage, that didn't seem to work for me. Being such a tall dominant feature I would loose the taller stand for a flatter one and use some wispy grass or a taller flower accent. This is very pleasing to the eye.
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