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30-Jul-2004
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hey Camay; I don't mean to rain on your parade but I believe J. Naka's schedules are good for southern California and not necessarily valid for your climate area of Canada. Secondly, it appears that you have cut off most of the roots for some reason, if you want to have any chance of keeping this alive you might consider removing an equal percentage of foliage. Thirdly, you might want to consider drilling alot of drainage holes in the bottom of your box as the existing boards will swell up widthwise when wet and reduce any drainage you may think you going to get from the miniscule gaps between them. Good luck on your risk taking adventure.
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30-Jul-2004
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Camay, You'd better thin out about 3/4 to 4/5 of the foliage tout suite and keep this baby in the shade for a month or two unless you want a picea repotting misadventure. Regards, Matt
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Yes. I agree, but that bring me a question, in July, summer are hotter in California then here in Canada, so transplanting in july in my climate, would be less risky ? Most of the roots have been cut, they were tall narrow root, I wanted to put in a grow box in order to have a shallow root system. Drainage hole ? I agree, those gaps are small. |
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30-Jul-2004
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Im glad you and Heymikey brought it up. It seems it would be better to thin the foliage. That was my impression not a long time a go. I remember reading an article from Brent Wilson about training seedling in bonsai, and he recommended leaving all the foliage on, in order to make a good roots system. Im a bit confuse. |
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30-Jul-2004
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There's a big difference between a seedling and a tree used to having a large root system under it. If you don't thin out the tree now, the little amount of roots will try to support the whole tree and it will die.
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30-Jul-2004
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No seedling, this!
This isn't a seedling, and it doesn't have the capacity to grow roots at the rate it would need to do to keep itself alive without some serious help at this point.
You removed 80% of the root system? And did an out of season transplant. By the way, I was a little confused by the root pruning. It looks like you had a multi-level root system in that container, which is not unusual. The strange part is you seem to have cut off the desireable flare of the rootbase and kept the upper roots. I would have kept the pink part, and also that huge mass of roots attached to it (blue), and pruned only the poorly placed roots (green). Regards, Matt
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30-Jul-2004
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conversely, I think you've kept pretty much only those feeder roots that should have been cut off...
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30-Jul-2004
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It will be a struggle to survive, even if you do remove the vast majority of the foliage, but it's really the only thing you can do now.
Good luck! Matt
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30-Jul-2004
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Matt,
I removed what was in purple because beneath those fine roots, there was a 1 inch thick tap root measuring at least a foot. I wanted to grow a shallow root system for this tree. May I ask, why you would remove the green colored roots ? If I were to feed bone meal to this tree, would it promote roots ? I was confident yesterday, now you got me worried. For the good reason I think. At least , the tree didnt cost much if things go sour. |
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30-Jul-2004
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I would remove them because the part I colored in pink would ultimately positioned above the soil line. (Or would have been - if it hadn't been cut off) That point is where the root system flares out, at least from the angle you photographed it. It would (have been) exposed over a period of time.
If you had very thick roots below the pink point, those could have been cut off if they weren't carrying many feeder roots, and the repotting was well timed. A little phosphorous would probably be a good idea, but you need to cut off 80% or more of what is green to give this tree a small chance at recovery. Be sure to leave some healthy green tips. That is, don't cut all the ends off all the branches. If you wait too long it will go into shock and drop all its needles. Then all bets are off.
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