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Old 3-Sep-2004   #1
Kitsune Miko
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Re: [IBC] Tap root question

If you have the luxury of time, you can develop
lateral roots before you dig. You can cut the tap
root below any lateral or feeding roots you encounter.

Now I have the luxury of collecting oaks in my back
yard and this is how I do it.

Dig down about 18 inches or more on one side of the
plant. Make some vertical scores in the trunk, dust
with rooting hormones, cover with soil condusive to
rooting in your area. In California I use a pumice
mix as I am diggin in clay. You can cut below new
latteral roots that have formed. I like to do one
side of the tree one year and the other side the
following year so that I have laterals on both sides.

I do not style for about 2-5 years, letting the
collected tree recover from being collected. I may go
in and repot and do a bit of root training to develop
more feeder roots before styling.

Kitsune Miko
--- Andrew G <notchevy327@HN.OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:

> "Attila" <Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com>
> wrote in message
> news:Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com...
> >
> > Andrew G wrote:
> > > *will removal of the tap root mean the death of

> a
> > > plant?
> > > *

> >
> > You have to be specific about the species you are

> talking about. The
> > age of the tree also matters.

> <<<<<SNIP>>>>>
>
> Thanks for your help.
> I guess the specific tree in question is the She Oak
> (Casurina,) Australian
> native.
> They have a tap root.
> Recently got permission from a land owner to move as
> many as I want from his
> paddock, kinda a pest here sometimes.
> Basically these vary in size, but the ones I am
> looking at/have got are
> approx 2-3 inch base trunk, and 12-18 inch tall
> (tried my best in measuring
> in US sizes). Old corky bark, short in size due to
> cows/slasher repeatedly
> pruning them.
> Quite good specimens brilliant starters with small
> root balls, however a few
> have tap roots. Maybe all did, or I should say they
> would have, but some
> more noticeable than others.
> Got about 10 last Friday, so far a week and looks
> like they will survive,
> but then just started Spring here, so the "needles"
> are not yet browning
> even on the pruned off pieces.
> Anyway, so in regards to your answer at least I know
> it's worth a try.
> Thanks heaps
> Andrew
> --
> Mid North Coast
> New South Wales
> Australia
>
> > Attila
> >

>

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Old 3-Sep-2004   #2
Marty Haber
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Re: [IBC] Tap root question

Kitsuni - Growing tap roots in clay is very different from them growing in
sandy soil. I have found oaks growing in very sandy soil which already have
produced lateral roots in addition to the tap root. Removing the tap root
under these circumstances creates no problem.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitsune Miko" <kits@PACBELL.NET>
To: <BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [IBC] Tap root question


> If you have the luxury of time, you can develop
> lateral roots before you dig. You can cut the tap
> root below any lateral or feeding roots you encounter.
>
> Now I have the luxury of collecting oaks in my back
> yard and this is how I do it.
>
> Dig down about 18 inches or more on one side of the
> plant. Make some vertical scores in the trunk, dust
> with rooting hormones, cover with soil condusive to
> rooting in your area. In California I use a pumice
> mix as I am diggin in clay. You can cut below new
> latteral roots that have formed. I like to do one
> side of the tree one year and the other side the
> following year so that I have laterals on both sides.
>
> I do not style for about 2-5 years, letting the
> collected tree recover from being collected. I may go
> in and repot and do a bit of root training to develop
> more feeder roots before styling.
>
> Kitsune Miko
> --- Andrew G <notchevy327@HN.OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
>
>> "Attila" <Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com...
>> >
>> > Andrew G wrote:
>> > > *will removal of the tap root mean the death of

>> a
>> > > plant?
>> > > *
>> >
>> > You have to be specific about the species you are

>> talking about. The
>> > age of the tree also matters.

>> <<<<<SNIP>>>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>> I guess the specific tree in question is the She Oak
>> (Casurina,) Australian
>> native.
>> They have a tap root.
>> Recently got permission from a land owner to move as
>> many as I want from his
>> paddock, kinda a pest here sometimes.
>> Basically these vary in size, but the ones I am
>> looking at/have got are
>> approx 2-3 inch base trunk, and 12-18 inch tall
>> (tried my best in measuring
>> in US sizes). Old corky bark, short in size due to
>> cows/slasher repeatedly
>> pruning them.
>> Quite good specimens brilliant starters with small
>> root balls, however a few
>> have tap roots. Maybe all did, or I should say they
>> would have, but some
>> more noticeable than others.
>> Got about 10 last Friday, so far a week and looks
>> like they will survive,
>> but then just started Spring here, so the "needles"
>> are not yet browning
>> even on the pruned off pieces.
>> Anyway, so in regards to your answer at least I know
>> it's worth a try.
>> Thanks heaps
>> Andrew
>> --
>> Mid North Coast
>> New South Wales
>> Australia
>>
>> > Attila
>> >

>>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Attila's Profile:

>>

> http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/member....info&userid=346
>> > View this thread:

>>

> http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...p?threadid=8167
>> >

>>
>>

> ************************************************** ******************************
>> ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen
>> Gardenworks++++
>>

> ************************************************** ******************************
>> >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

>> http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<<
>> +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
>> BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++
>>

>
>
> =====
> ****
> "Expectations are resentments under construction."
>
> Anne Lamott
>
> ************************************************** ******************************
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> ************************************************** ******************************
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> +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++
>


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Old 3-Sep-2004   #3
Kitsune Miko
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Re: [IBC] Tap root question

Marty,

Glad you brought up the difference. We all learn when
we share like this.

Kitsune Miko
--- Marty Haber <haberm@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:

> Kitsuni - Growing tap roots in clay is very
> different from them growing in
> sandy soil. I have found oaks growing in very sandy
> soil which already have
> produced lateral roots in addition to the tap root.
> Removing the tap root
> under these circumstances creates no problem.
> Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kitsune Miko" <kits@PACBELL.NET>
> To: <BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [IBC] Tap root question
>
>
> > If you have the luxury of time, you can develop
> > lateral roots before you dig. You can cut the tap
> > root below any lateral or feeding roots you

> encounter.
> >
> > Now I have the luxury of collecting oaks in my

> back
> > yard and this is how I do it.
> >
> > Dig down about 18 inches or more on one side of

> the
> > plant. Make some vertical scores in the trunk,

> dust
> > with rooting hormones, cover with soil condusive

> to
> > rooting in your area. In California I use a

> pumice
> > mix as I am diggin in clay. You can cut below new
> > latteral roots that have formed. I like to do one
> > side of the tree one year and the other side the
> > following year so that I have laterals on both

> sides.
> >
> > I do not style for about 2-5 years, letting the
> > collected tree recover from being collected. I

> may go
> > in and repot and do a bit of root training to

> develop
> > more feeder roots before styling.
> >
> > Kitsune Miko
> > --- Andrew G <notchevy327@HN.OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

> wrote:
> >
> >> "Attila" <Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com>
> >> wrote in message
> >> news:Attila.1by4m6@timelimit.bonsaiTALK.com...
> >> >
> >> > Andrew G wrote:
> >> > > *will removal of the tap root mean the death

> of
> >> a
> >> > > plant?
> >> > > *
> >> >
> >> > You have to be specific about the species you

> are
> >> talking about. The
> >> > age of the tree also matters.
> >> <<<<<SNIP>>>>>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >> I guess the specific tree in question is the She

> Oak
> >> (Casurina,) Australian
> >> native.
> >> They have a tap root.
> >> Recently got permission from a land owner to move

> as
> >> many as I want from his
> >> paddock, kinda a pest here sometimes.
> >> Basically these vary in size, but the ones I am
> >> looking at/have got are
> >> approx 2-3 inch base trunk, and 12-18 inch tall
> >> (tried my best in measuring
> >> in US sizes). Old corky bark, short in size due

> to
> >> cows/slasher repeatedly
> >> pruning them.
> >> Quite good specimens brilliant starters with

> small
> >> root balls, however a few
> >> have tap roots. Maybe all did, or I should say

> they
> >> would have, but some
> >> more noticeable than others.
> >> Got about 10 last Friday, so far a week and looks
> >> like they will survive,
> >> but then just started Spring here, so the

> "needles"
> >> are not yet browning
> >> even on the pruned off pieces.
> >> Anyway, so in regards to your answer at least I

> know
> >> it's worth a try.
> >> Thanks heaps
> >> Andrew
> >> --
> >> Mid North Coast
> >> New South Wales
> >> Australia
> >>
> >> > Attila
> >> >
> >>

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Attila's Profile:
> >>

> >

>

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/member....info&userid=346
> >> > View this thread:
> >>

> >

>

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...p?threadid=8167
> >> >
> >>
> >>

> >

>

************************************************** ******************************
> >> ++++Sponsored, in part, by

> Evergreen
> >> Gardenworks++++
> >>

> >

>

************************************************** ******************************
> >> >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:
> >> http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<<
> >> +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
> >> BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++
> >>

> >
> >
> > =====
> > ****
> > "Expectations are resentments under construction."
> >
> > Anne Lamott
> >
> >

>

************************************************** ******************************
> > ++++Sponsored, in part, by

> Evergreen Gardenworks++++
> >

>

************************************************** ******************************
> >>>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

> http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<<
> > +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail

> BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++
> >

>
>

************************************************** ******************************
> ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen
> Gardenworks++++
>

************************************************** ******************************
> >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ:

> http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<<
> +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
> BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++
>



=====
****
"Expectations are resentments under construction."

Anne Lamott

************************************************** ******************************
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