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30-Aug-2004
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Re: [IBC] Pomegranate
Iris writes:
I think we have the same situation that I ran across with the elm. My understanding is that there is a specific cultivar of Punica granatum called 'Nejikan' which is a standard, not dwarf, and naturally grows with a twisted trunk. I just bought a dwarf Pomegranate, no twisted trunk I can see, but the seller swore she has been growing these for years, they come from Korea, & the Koreans always call them Nejikan. Can anyone enlighten me? Iris: Nejikan is a style of bonsai. The dwarf Punica, the Nana, will not naturally develop into a twisted trunk. However, it is always possible that you did not purchase a dwarf. );-) The Punica in my personal collection is a dwarf. One the wonderful traits of working with the dwarf of the species is its ability to develop fine ramifications through the application of bonsai technique. Enjoy the tree! I have enjoyed mine for the past 16 years. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob Michael ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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30-Aug-2004
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Re: [IBC] Pomegranate
Hi Iris:
The twisted trunk cultivar of Pomegranate is called 'Nejikan'. This means twisted trunk. The term is also used for a style of bonsai. But, more importantly, it is a valid cultivar name. Now, many of the twisted trunk ('Nejikan') pomegranate bonsai in Japan came from Korea, specifically, Cheji Island. Perhaps the most famous specimens came from Korea also. Just as an aside, the finest Korean hornbeam bonsai in Japan are also Korean imports. They imported the trunks and developed and refined the branching. Hope this helps. I do not know of a dwarf cultivar of pomegranate which has twisted bark... Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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Re: [IBC] Pomegranate
In a message dated 8/30/04 9:34:06 AM, WNV@internationalbonsai.com writes:
> The twisted trunk cultivar of Pomegranate is called 'Nejikan.' This > means twisted trunk. The term is also used for a style of bonsai. But, > more importantly, it is a valid cultivar name. > Now, many of the twisted trunk ('Nejikan') pomegranate bonsai in Japan > came from Korea, specifically, Cheji Island. * Perhaps the most famous > specimens came from Korea also. > <<I do not know of a dwarf cultivar of pomegranate which has twisted bark...>> These do not twist. I suspect it is the same situation as the Japanese growers calling all their elm cultivars 'Nire' willy-nilly. The Koreans have a good thing going with their twisted pomegranates so they label all their pomegranates 'Nejikan.' Iris Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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30-Aug-2004
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Re: [IBC] Pomegranate
Iris:
I do not think the Japanese call all their elm "nire" willy nilly. Nire means elms. The Japanese are pretty careful when naming cultivars. It is the English speaking world that does not understand the Japanese bonsai world that gets things goofed up and makes a mess of things.... Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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Re: [IBC] Pomegranate
<Bill writes:
Hi Iris: The twisted trunk cultivar of Pomegranate is called 'Nejikan'. This means twisted trunk. The term is also used for a style of bonsai. But, more importantly, it is a valid cultivar name.> Well . . . it is not black and white. This is actually a nomenclatural mystery! You may all find this of interest: The following is the perspective of from Dr. Donglin Zhang (University of Maine) and Dr. Mike Dirr (University of ... Punica granatum 'Nejikan': "Punica granatum 'Nejikan' (Punicaceae) twisted pomegranate A nomenclatural mystery! These plants are derived from rooted stem cuttings from a plant brought in by J. C. Raulston in 1988. While the brilliant orange double flowers are without a doubt beautiful, the validity of the cultivar name remains up in the air . "Nejikan" refers to a style of bonsai in which the trunk of the specimen is twisted. While our specimen growing in China Valley is neither bonsai nor possessing a twisted trunk, the leaves do have a kink / twist to them. Yellow fall color. Hardy through the warmer part of Zone 7. Plant in a protected location in the cooler parts of zone 7. (1 gallon, 6-12" tall)41 plants are available." Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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