[IBC] Turface

Tlsrider

The question I have is for a substitute for using turface. I can get this product, but only through a Bonsai Nursery here locally, the mark up is high. I would be paying about $25 per bag. Anyway, what I am wondering is, can you use "oil dry" that you
buy at the auto store instead? Are there any disadvantages to using this?

Thanks..........................Rick

Rick
Zone 5
New England

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Kitsune Miko

Sorry for shooting blanks. Seems sometimes when I try
to delete one of the addresses in a reply, it gets
sent.

You can use oil dry, you can use dry stall (keeps
horsie's feet dry, get at a full service pet store) or
you can look up Turface on the internet and find a
local dealer. I get Turface for $8.25 per 50# bag.

Kitsune Miko

--- Tlsrider <tlsrider@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> The question I have is for a substitute for using
> turface. I can get this product, but only through a
> Bonsai Nursery here locally, the mark up is high. I
> would be paying about $25 per bag. Anyway, what I
> am wondering is, can you use "oil dry" that you buy
> at the auto store instead? Are there any
> disadvantages to using this?
>
> Thanks..........................Rick
>
> Rick
> Zone 5
> New England
>
>
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Billy M. Rhodes

In a message dated 5/8/2004 7:17:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kits@PACBELL.NET writes:

> Oil dry" that you buy at the auto store instead?

Check the particle size some products for picking up spills are much
too fine for our purpose,

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Iris Cohen

If you want Turface without buying a gigantic bag or paying bonsai nursery
prices, go to a garden center and buy Schultz Multi-Purpose Soil Conditioner.
It is actually Turface, in a 5 pound bag. I don't remember what it cost, but it
was about what you would expect.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
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Kitsune Miko

Last year I got Shultz Profile, which is turface, for
about $8 per bag. This year it was $16 per bag. With
300 trees, 50 pounds ain't too much.

Kits
--- Iris Cohen <iriscohen@AOL.COM> wrote:
> If you want Turface without buying a gigantic bag or
> paying bonsai nursery
> prices, go to a garden center and buy Schultz
> Multi-Purpose Soil Conditioner.
> It is actually Turface, in a 5 pound bag. I don't
> remember what it cost, but it
> was about what you would expect.
> Iris,


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"How many things in life do we bludgeon with facts, render helpless
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these patterns, we certainly need it in our lives."
Anne Wilson Schaef
From, "Women Who Do Too Much Calandar 2004."

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Pat Patterson

G'day all...

OilDri?

I've been using OilDri for several years...

For me, it works fine. I don't have a tree in a pot larger than 16" X 10" X 4"
(estimated)...except for a couple in 5 gallon nursery cans.

If cost is a consideration, I get OilDri for under $4 for a 40 pound bag...at
Sam's Club.

Have a good day.

Pat

Dez of the Arizona High Dezert, at 4550', Oracle, AZ,
2000' above Tucson Sunset Zone 10 USDA Zone 8
aka: Pat Patterson 'riding off in all directions'

Jim Dantin

Oops -- hit "send" too soon, sorry.

Check out Turface's website
http://www.profileproducts.com/productinfo_turface.html to get some
ideas on the range of products and who might use them. A key here is the
fact that some of their products are aimed at athletic field
maintenance. Check with local schools, sports facilities, or with
companies that do grounds maintenance. They are all using the stuff by
the ton. You have to talk their language -- "field conditioner" -- not
"bonsai soil".

Your goal should be to find a local distributor who might stock it, and
then try to get them to sell you a couple bags. The biggest part of the
cost is from shipping -- truckload quantities only cost pennies per
pound to ship. I bought a couple bags of Mulemix directly from their
headquarters location in Columbia Tennessee - the cost was $3.50 per 50#
bag!

There are other brand names of similar material.
http://www.diamondpro.com/bags.html
http://www.mulemix.com/conditioners.htm
http://www.oildri.com/agri/turf.htm
http://www.proschoice1.com

The problem I have is finding suitable material for the non-organic,
non-water absorbing, component -- "course sand". In my area, I can
easily find particle sizes that are under 1/16" inch (too small), or
over 1/4" (too big). No one seems to have anything in the 1/8" to 3/16"
range. Ideas anyone?

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David J. Bockman

Respectfully, they're different. Turface is Montmorillonite clay, Profile is
Arcillite clay. The latter is also fired hotter, resulting in a material
that is almost a ceramic, with a lower CEC than Turface.

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
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email: djb@bunabayashi.com


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> Of Kitsune Miko
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 11:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IBC] Turface
>
>
> Last year I got Shultz Profile, which is turface, for
> about $8 per bag. This year it was $16 per bag. With
> 300 trees, 50 pounds ain't too much.

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Billy M. Rhodes

I have found Turface products at LESCO which supplies golf course in my area.
I don't know how widespread they are but I think LESCO covers the Southeast
and maybe national.

However, Lessee's price was twice the price charged by a commercial growers
supply in Apopka, FL called BWI and I know they haveoutlets all over the
Southeast.


Billy on the Florida Space Coast
BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral,
Florida
Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai
Society
http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html

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