[IBC] Maples 2 questions

Theo

HI
I have two questions
1) I am trying to make an air layering from a Palmatum maple
2oregon sunset" or something like , and started over 2 months ago
putting sfagnum after taking away a ring fo bark and applying hormons..
No roots at all!
the leaves are still their normal color golden yellow..light pink
tinted ....as they are in the spring flush ...

2) I bought a Seigen Palmatum maple..
any suggestion any special care for it ?
thanks


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TreeBay

Hi Theo,

Maybe I can help you out with the layering part of your question:

One common layering mistake with trees like elm and maple is to not remove the living tissue down to bare wood. If you haven't done it before, you might stop when you hit the white, pulpy portion, but you really need to go deeper.

Another reason that layers can fail is that the thickness of the peeled section is to narrow, and the tree self-grafts or closes over the wound. The peeled section should be approximately as wide as the thickness of the trunk or branch being layered at the point you are layering it.

The final thing I would suggest is not disturbing the layer too much to check on it. That can tear the root initials as they develop and set you back.

If you're following all those steps, the layer should work for you if you give it enough time, and you're in a growing season in the northern hemisphere, of course.

Regards,

Matt

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Theo

TreeBay wrote:

> Hi Theo,
>
> Maybe I can help you out with the layering part of your question:
>
> One common layering mistake with trees like elm and maple is to not
> remove the living tissue down to bare wood. If you haven't done it
> before, you might stop when you hit the white, pulpy portion, but you
> really need to go deeper.

I see this might be the problem in fact I
cleaned it up and carved again deeper this morning
I hope is deep enough!

> Another reason that layers can fail is that the thickness of the peeled
> section is to narrow, and the tree self-grafts or closes over the
> wound. The peeled section should be approximately as wide as the
> thickness of the trunk or branch being layered at the point you are
> layering it.
it was ok the peeled part only a strip of new bark was forming
from teh upper part trying to join the underneath part


> The final thing I would suggest is not disturbing the layer too much to
> check on it. That can tear the root initials as they develop and set
> you back.
It was done in early april
I checked 3 months later yesetrday .. as normally might already have
been good to be separated and did not work
Today I carved deeper put hormons and spagnum and garden seedsling
soli so it will be more mosits and can stay over one year in this
location


> If you're following all those steps, the layer should work for you if
> you give it enough time, and you're in a growing season in the northern
> hemisphere, of course.
I am will keep so until next year and we sill see next spring
teh bottle I put around for layering is 10 inches long and 3 width
probably will do
thanks again


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Aurealus

You have numerous possibilities.
You didn't cut the ring deep enough and it has calloused over.
Your hormone powder maybe old and has expired.
You allowed the moss to dry out or haven't been keeping it sufficiantly
moist.Theo wrote:
> *HI
> I have two questions
> 1) I am trying to make an air layering from a Palmatum maple
> 2oregon sunset" or something like , and started over 2 months ago
> putting sfagnum after taking away a ring fo bark and applying
> hormons..
> No roots at all!
> *
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Theo

Hi
Aurealus wrote:

> You have numerous possibilities.
> You didn't cut the ring deep enough and it has calloused over.
Tha's teh problem I guess
> Your hormone powder maybe old and has expired.
I do not know if hormons expires
> You allowed the moss to dry out or haven't been keeping it sufficiantly
no I constantly monitored
Thnaks for your help
Theo
> moist.Theo wrote:
>
>>*HI
>>I have two questions
>>1) I am trying to make an air layering from a Palmatum maple
>>2oregon sunset" or something like , and started over 2 months ago
>>putting sfagnum after taking away a ring fo bark and applying
>>hormons..
>>No roots at all!
>>*
>
> --
> Aurealus
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk
>

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> Hi
> Aurealus wrote:
>
> > > > Your hormone powder maybe old and has expired.

> I do not know if hormons expires

Yes. The liquid "expires" within hours/a day or two of being
exposed to air (so don't mix up a big batch!). The powder has
about a one-growing-season life -- less if you dip plants right
into the powder in the bottle (as I do) and don't use a brush.

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I am looking for an Acer palmatum Seigan. where did you find it?

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Theo

Steven Wachs wrote:
lodder Bonsai at Vleuten Holland the biggest european importer

http://www.lodderbonsai.nl/
tehy have also Harakwa ( the coarse baky ones) and many otherse
teh seigen are ranging from 100 us$ 2 ft tall 2 " diameter trunk
(about 7 specimens ) to 1900 us $ ( just a huge one )
Arakava started at 20 us$

but you have to go there to purchase it

they have another at Crespi in Italy quite expensive for the size and
one that can be sent al Lieswcnwicz
http://www.bonsai-centrum.de/shopneu/index2.php3
the second in this page 20 cm 150 euros about 150 us$
in the 3rd page you have one at 2900 us$

you can see pics of the Lodder Bonsai centrum here
http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/viaggioinolanda.msnw
3 pages to see you can choose the page in the tine window on teh
left corner

as well as the one I puchased
http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/...oto&PhotoID=832


cheers
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