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12-Jun-2004
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[IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
Question for discussion.
When you prune a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? Why? I start with the lowest branch. I don't know why. Maybe it is easier for me because I am short. Maybe I can see the trunk line that way. The clippings tend to fall down to the already pruned area so I usually don't trim something already cut. When you wire a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? Why? I again start with the lowest branch. I don't know why. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislek of Whitefish, Montana and Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
In a message dated 6/12/2004 10:02:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM writes: When you prune a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? Why? I start at the lowest or next to the lowest branch because these, more than any others, define the height and shape of the tree. Thomas L. Zane 100 Gull Cir N Daytona Beach, FL 32119-1320 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
In a message dated 6/12/2004 10:02:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM writes: When you wire a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? Why? If starting with a material tree, I begin wiring those branches which need it the most. Often they will be the lowest branches because they set the shape, angles and slants for the remainder of the tree's branches. Tom Thomas L. Zane 100 Gull Cir N Daytona Beach, FL 32119-1320 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
So, if a trees' shape is determined it doesn't matter?
In a message dated 6/12/2004 12:10:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TomZ50925@AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 6/12/2004 10:02:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM writes: > When you prune a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? > > Why? > I start at the lowest or next to the lowest branch because these, more than > any others, define the height and shape of the tree. > > Thomas L. Zane > 100 Gull Cir N > Daytona Beach, FL 32119-1320 > Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislek of Whitefish, Montana and Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
From: "Billy M. Rhodes" <GOPHERHILL@aol.com>
Subject: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree? > Question for discussion. > > When you prune a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? > Why? > I start with the lowest branch. I don't know why. Maybe it is easier for me > because I am short. Maybe I can see the trunk line that way. The clippings > tend to fall down to the already pruned area so I usually don't trim something > already cut. ------------ Billy, You stopped me short, Billy, because I never had such a question. Top or bottom never were separated in that way - I think for me the whole aim was "balance" of some kind. I take the first branch that looks most out of balance, then, continually moving my turntable just work wherever balance seems to be the question or a noticeable bad angle needs change. Thinking of it further- I believe that happens most often in the upper section of the tree from my viewpoint, but I have not thought that through. Sometimes a style throws a real "stopper" and I work at the tree over a period of weeks until I gain a positive vision, spinning that ole turntable almost daily. You do make a good question of it - style certainty? balance? correction of some sort? Lynn Lynn Boyd, Oregon, USA Zone 7-8 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
In a message dated 6/12/2004 12:41:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lynnkate@CHARTER.NET writes: > You stopped me short, Billy, because I never had such a question. > Top or bottom never were separated in that way - I think for me the whole > aim was "balance" of some kind. Lynn I suppose I am mostly thinking about "pre bonsai" as opposed to "finished" trees. The approach might be very different. On a "finished" tree I also might just trim but on "pre bonsai" (which is what I have the most of) I work bottom up. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislek of Whitefish, Montana and Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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12-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
This could lead to a verry interesting thread. I'm on your side ... in most
cases, Billy. Here's my reasoning. I choose my #1 branch based upon its relationship to the nebari. (I don't want a beautiful #1 if it conflicts with the position of the surface roots.) Since branches are thickest at the bottom and thinnest at the top, it is much easier to change the position of the higher ones than the lower ones. We can make the small branches conform to the design of the lower ones. My one exception to the rule is with a subject which is so thickly branched or foliated that I can't see "inside" the tree. In this case, I would have to do some preliminary pruning before going down to #1. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy M. Rhodes" <GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM> To: <BONSAI@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree? > Question for discussion. > > When you prune a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? > > Why? > > I start with the lowest branch. I don't know why. Maybe it is easier for me > because I am short. Maybe I can see the trunk line that way. The clippings > tend to fall down to the already pruned area so I usually don't trim something > already cut. > > When you wire a tree do you start with the lowest branch or at the apex? > > Why? > > I again start with the lowest branch. I don't know why. > > Billy on the Florida Space Coast > BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, > Florida > Workshops with Jerry Meislek of Whitefish, Montana and Chase Rosade of New > Hope, PA. > > ************************************************** ************************** **** > ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ > ************************************************** ************************** **** > >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< > +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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14-Jun-2004
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Re: [IBC] Do you work Up or down a tree?
I don’t think you can go from top to bottom or bottom
to top on a plant destined to become a bonsai. I start when I buy a plant. If I have to dig down with my fingers, I do to make sure that is a good nebari. Yes, there are ways of improving nebari, but not for all trees. The next thing I do is feel up the trunk further to see where there is a curve and if there is a branch on the inside or outside of that curve. If I have these criteria, I buy the plant. Then I open it up, clean it out slowly over time. I decide if I want to keep sacrificial branches and fatten the trunk. I decide if a mild pruning is better than a real chop and shape. If the plant is strong and healthy and it is the right season and the right type of tree, I may prune back so that I leave just a couple of leaves at the end of each branch. I absolutely NEVER take a new plant and breeze through form top to bottom or bottom to top, and I have been doing bonsai for 25 years. If necessary, I can do that to a plant that I have and know, but I still work in and out, from the whole mass to the parts and back out again. This is my reason for not liking demos. Newbies go home and try to emulate a demo. They usually kill the plant and wonder why. I think each demo should have the warning label: “Don’t try this at home.” Kitsune Miko ===== "I was born with a birth defect-- no herd instinct." Brenda Ueland ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** >>-->> The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ <<--<< +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail BONSAI-REQUEST@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ |
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