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[IBC] Bonsai mix - source for organic component(s)

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Old 2-Jul-2004   #41
Billy M. Rhodes
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Re: [IBC] organic component

In a message dated 7/1/2004 9:30:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rlsnipes@ICEHOUSE.NET writes:

> I don't remember the exact mix of soil components they use, but looking at
> it, it is mostly red lava rock in the 1/8" size range.


But, the trees in the Pacific Rim collection are large trees. Mostly
over three feet.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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Florida
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Old 2-Jul-2004   #42
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Re: Bonsai mix - source for organic component(s)

Hey Tom,

thx info.

I'll find some locally and give it a try.

Best,
/jhd

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Old 2-Jul-2004   #43
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Re: [IBC] Bonsai mix - source for organic component(s)

thx Billy.

/jhd

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Old 2-Jul-2004   #44
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Re: [IBC] organic component

bnsaijim@wt.net wrote:

> Quoting Craig Cowing <ccowing@frontiernet.net>:
>
> > > I also use organic fertilizers through summer that add to
> > > the organic load.

>
> I too started using the "teas" - I still do- keep it fermenting all year round-
> grain hulls from homebrewing, and fertilizer ingredients go in and "brew".


C'mon up to the wedding and we'll hoist a mug!

> <snip>
>
> I think the act of feeding is more important than exactly what you use.
>
> Jim Stone
> Galveston, TX


Indeed. And of course, the need for fertilizer will vary somewhat according to
the species.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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Old 2-Jul-2004   #45
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Re: [IBC] organic component

Hi Billy,

I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, many of the trees in the Pacific Rim
collection are in the three foot range. They also have a number of trees in
the 18 inch to two foot size range as well. The soil mix seems to be the
same for all.

Regards,
Roger Snipes rlsnipes@icehouse.net Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it,
and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy M. Rhodes" <GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM>
> But, the trees in the Pacific Rim collection are large trees.

Mostly
> over three feet.
>


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Old 3-Jul-2004   #46
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Re: [IBC] organic component

In a message dated 7/2/2004 4:39:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rlsnipes@ICEHOUSE.NET writes:

> Hi Billy,
>
> I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, many of the trees in the Pacific Rim
> collection are in the three foot range. They also have a number of trees in
> the 18 inch to two foot size range as well. The soil mix seems to be the
> same for all.
>


I was trying to say that the larger particles of inorganic materials
you mentioned as making up the potting media for the Pacific Rim Collection
would be appropriate for larger trees but might not hold enough moisture for
smaller trees.
Also the climate of Pacific northwest is unique in this county and the
choice of potting media mixtures will depend upon many factors.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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Hope, PA.

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Old 3-Jul-2004   #47
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Re: [IBC] organic component

Billy: I believe the idea is to have a fast draining soil. In
general, the fact that it doesn't hold much water is an asset,
not a problem, pretty much irregardless of climate. It does mean
that you need to water more often, and that isn't feasible for
some, but that is one of the keys to good bonsai horticulture.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy M. Rhodes

I was trying to say that the larger particles of inorganic
materials
you mentioned as making up the potting media for the Pacific Rim
Collection would be appropriate for larger trees but might not
hold enough moisture for smaller trees.
Also the climate of Pacific northwest is unique in this
county and the
choice of potting media mixtures will depend upon many factors.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

In a message dated 7/2/2004 4:39:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rlsnipes@ICEHOUSE.NET writes:

Hi Billy,
I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, many of the trees in the
Pacific Rim collection are in the three foot range. They also
have a number of trees in the 18 inch to two foot size range as
well. The soil mix seems to be the same for all.

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Old 3-Jul-2004   #48
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Re: [IBC] organic component

Quite right Billy, the choice of potting media will depend on one's local
conditions.

I don't consider the media the Pacific Rim collection uses to be on the
large side. As I mentioned their mix is in the 1/8 inch range, which I
would class in the medium size range. I use a mix of that size for many of
my smaller trees, and the mix I use for a lot of my larger trees tends to be
more towards the 1/4 inch size. The climate on my side of the state is also
considerably drier than the west side. I think their average annual
rainfall is in the neighborhood of 50+ inches, where ours is more on the
order of 16 to 20 inches. I don't have any problem with my trees that are
in a larger size media drying too fast, but they do require daily watering
in the summer when it is hot. If anything one would expect the Pacific Rim
collection to use a larger size potting mix to keep their trees from being
too wet.

I guess the mix they use works well for them though; all their trees seem
quite healthy.

Regards,
Roger Snipes rlsnipes@icehouse.net Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
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and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy M. Rhodes" <GOPHERHILL@AOL.COM>
> I was trying to say that the larger particles of inorganic

materials
> you mentioned as making up the potting media for the Pacific Rim

Collection
> would be appropriate for larger trees but might not hold enough moisture

for
> smaller trees.
> Also the climate of Pacific northwest is unique in this county and

the
> choice of potting media mixtures will depend upon many factors.


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