[IBC] acer leaf clipping

mad sweeney

i am in los angeles, and i wanted to know when i should be clipping
the leaves on my acers.

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tdlabrie

Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a baby. But I never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find that instruction?

Thanks.

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Terry
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kevin bailey

Defoliation is covered extensively in the archives.

It is usually used only for trees that are already bonsai and consists
of cutting the leaf stems. This is done once the first flush of spring
leaves have hardened. It forces the tree to produce new leaves and these
are smaller. It stresses the tree somewhat and should only be done on a
healthy, vigorously growing specimen. It is also unwise to do it in
consecutive years as the tree will be weakened.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales

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Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a baby. But I
never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find that
instruction?

Thanks.


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martyhab

Kev- Although "defoliation" usually implies complete removal of leaves,
my experience has been that partial defoliation has its value too. By
removing leaves which cover other leaves, hanging leaves, and sprouts, one
may be able to have a tidier tree without significant stress. Of course,
there is the argument that partial defoliation forces unwanted growth in the
remaining foliage. There is something to be said for that: but I still like
the process as against total defoliation.
Marty
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> Defoliation is covered extensively in the archives.
>
> It is usually used only for trees that are already bonsai and consists
> of cutting the leaf stems. This is done once the first flush of spring
> leaves have hardened. It forces the tree to produce new leaves and these
> are smaller. It stresses the tree somewhat and should only be done on a
> healthy, vigorously growing specimen. It is also unwise to do it in
> consecutive years as the tree will be weakened.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kev Bailey
> Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of tdlabrie
> Sent: 09 June 2004 16:59
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> Subject: Re: [IBC] acer leaf clipping
>
> Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a baby. But I
> never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find that
> instruction?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Jim Lewis

> Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a
baby. But I
> never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find
that
> instruction?

Since it is "still a baby" I suggest you forget you ever heard of
leaf stripping at least until it reaches late adolescence.

Meanwhile, keep on reading; because I can't think of a book on
bonsai that doesn't cover it in some detail.

Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Who suggests
that you can NOT learn bonsai on the Internet.

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Kitsune Miko

Jim is right. Do take baby steps with baby trees.
Read how to devlope and maintain growth for a couple
of years or more. Then will give you the best
possible bonsai. Some of the seedlings I bought 15 to
20 years ago are getting close to being bonsai. I
worked on caliper then nebari. Now I am working to
get that wonderful branching pattern you see on the
trees in the Japanese magazines. I defoliated then
this year for the first time.

Kitsune Miko
--- Jim Lewis <jklewis@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
> > Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day.
> It's still a
> baby. But I
> > never read anything about clipping leaves. Where
> did you find
> that
> > instruction?
>
> Since it is "still a baby" I suggest you forget you
> ever heard of
> leaf stripping at least until it reaches late
> adolescence.
>
> Meanwhile, keep on reading; because I can't think of
> a book on
> bonsai that doesn't cover it in some detail.
>
> Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL -
> Who suggests
> that you can NOT learn bonsai on the Internet.
>
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Bernie

jklewis@NETTALLY.COM (Jim Lewis) wrote in message news:<00eb01c44e60$143103c0$9c102cc7@pavilion>...
> > Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a
> baby. But I
> > never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find
> that
> > instruction?
>
> Since it is "still a baby" I suggest you forget you ever heard of
> leaf stripping at least until it reaches late adolescence.
>
> Meanwhile, keep on reading; because I can't think of a book on
> bonsai that doesn't cover it in some detail.

Good advice, there. "read twice, clip once ;-)"

I wouldn't leaf-clip an acer that didn't have a trunk at least a thumb
in thickness; that had been repotted this season; that hadn't been
fertilized in the past quarter; that wasn't vibrantly healthy.

Look for Peter Adams' book on maples; some good direction there.

Key point: if you defoliate, you should really prune at the same time.
Cut that new growth back to the first set of nodes. Then you will
achieve more compact appearance and enhanced illusion of maturity.

Have fun!
>
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mad sweeney

On 10 Jun 2004 19:01:32 -0700, b7917@aol.com (Bernie) wrote:

>jklewis@NETTALLY.COM (Jim Lewis) wrote in message news:<00eb01c44e60$143103c0$9c102cc7@pavilion>...
>> > Wow! I just got my first Acer the other day. It's still a
>> baby. But I
>> > never read anything about clipping leaves. Where did you find
>> that
>> > instruction?
>>
>> Since it is "still a baby" I suggest you forget you ever heard of
>> leaf stripping at least until it reaches late adolescence.
>>
>> Meanwhile, keep on reading; because I can't think of a book on
>> bonsai that doesn't cover it in some detail.
>
>Good advice, there. "read twice, clip once ;-)"
>
>I wouldn't leaf-clip an acer that didn't have a trunk at least a thumb
>in thickness; that had been repotted this season; that hadn't been
>fertilized in the past quarter; that wasn't vibrantly healthy.

in such a case, what time in or around june would you recomend?
>
>Look for Peter Adams' book on maples; some good direction there.
>
thank you, i will

>Key point: if you defoliate, you should really prune at the same time.
>Cut that new growth back to the first set of nodes. Then you will
>achieve more compact appearance and enhanced illusion of maturity.
>
>Have fun!
>>
>> Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Who suggests
>> that you can NOT learn bonsai on the Internet.

no, but there's a lot of fine minds to pick on the subject!
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