Safe to use?

Crowned_One

Howdy y'all

I have this product called Tree & Shrub Control from Bayer. It is a pesticide that you pour into the soil and the tree takes into its system to help fight, prevent and eliminate pests(it lists many it controls). For trees(big 'uns) use 1 ounce for every inch away from the trunk. Now bein that none of mine are "life size" I thinking dropping the amount down to 1/4 ounce or less. I have used this already on my Ficus's(some are just plain houseplants and others are small enough to begin as bonsai) and have seen wonderful results in eliminating scale and leaf curlers(these at least fold the leaves like a taco so I may be saying the wrong pest). I am wanting to know if this type of product is safe for the following trees: jap maples, american hornbeam, jrp, jbp, monterey cypress, stone pine, drake lacebark elms, arizona cypress, weeping willow, coast redwood, dawn redwood, bald cypress, shimpaku juniper, nana juniper, squamata juniper, sargentii juniper, jedeloh hemlock, monterey pine, ginkgo, american elm, american beech, eastern pine, eastern cedar, deodar cedar, red oak, english oak(I think thats it LOL). I have not applied this to any of the above. Any help, advice, tips, directions would be greatly appreciated

And yes I know I have alot but it gives me alot to play with and options for later down the road. I know some might be good material and some may never be good material. But at least I'm having fun and learning.

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jfecme

I used it this past year onall sorts of trees with success, and will use it again this year. I cannot say that i lost a single tree using it.



I started out with great fear an trepidation since I got almost the same response as you are getting to my inquiry about the product. I mixed according to directions and pured on until it ran through and had no insects.

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Crowned_One

jfecme, thanks for the reply. Yea I was just delighted by what it did for my ficus's. I just wanted others input on this product with other trees. Sounds like you are very satisfied with its performance. Thanks again. Anyone else?

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redhawkbonsai

Crowned1:

I've heard of the "Bayer" products, I also recall seeing them somewhere.
I didn’t purchase it at the time (I'm guessing) because it had "Neem oil" or "Kelthane" in it.
Check the label and see if it does in fact have "Neem oil" or "Kelthane" in it if it does ...see below.

*Neem oil and Kelthane are usually used in a systemic insecticide & are good products but not on...

1) Do not use Neem oil on any type of elms, it will defoliate them and can kill them.

2) Do not use Kelthane on any type of elms, it will defoliate them and can kill them.

3) Do not use Malathion on Buttonwoods it can kill them.

Also for more info on organophosphates see below and go to #12

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/f7/syst...298/index2.html

Good luck,redhawk

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Crowned_One

redhawk,

I've read that thread before. In that thread y'all were talking about "spraying" it on to control pests. This product you pour into the soil. So if it has the chemicals you listed(hadn't had a chance yet to look sorry) they still could/would harm or kill the tree? Now you mention not to on ANY elms. I did apply this to my American Elms(got a forest grouping and singles) to protect against DED and the beetles that carry the fungus. They did just fine. Let me know what ya think and thanks for replying

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redhawkbonsai

Whether you pour or spray, it is still going into to be absorbed in the plant.

When applying “insecticides” you want to cover the entire tree from top to bottom, meaning covering the leaves and allowing it to run out the bottom of the pot.

Did you find out about the ingredients?

Good luck,
redhawk

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jfecme

I've got some elms that I used it on last year. Still got 'em. Haven't really noticed a problem. Don't know if Bayer has either of these ingredients, but will check at home.

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BONSAI_OUTLAW

I used this product last year. I used it on all my elms as well with no adverse effects.

redhawkbonsai

Which product, Kelthane, Neem oil or the Bayer product?

If its Kelthane or Neem oil you're taking a risk in loosing it.

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