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Old 9-Feb-2005   #21
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I always thought that you can quote someones article, or part of it, when you say so (as I did) and then put it between quotation marks (") as we do in this forum and as I did, or saw others do, in scientific publications.

If I really did made a mistake, can someone tell me how it can be edited so that I an not accused of plagiarism?
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Old 9-Feb-2005   #22
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I always thought that you can quote someones article, or part of it, when you say so (as I did) and then put it between quotation marks (") as we do in this forum and as I did, or saw others do, in scientific publications.

If I really did made a mistake, can someone tell me how it can be edited so that I an not accused of plagiarism?


Al,

Since the passage is on the long side for "fair use", I'd probably just use the URL button (looks like a globe with a chain link) above the new post text window to create a link to Brent's site, and do something like this:

My advice was based on a great article by Brent Walston: Dormancy and Indoor Bonsai.

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If I really did made a mistake, can someone tell me how it can be edited so that I an not accused of plagiarism?
It could be made a little more obvious that you are quoting by showing the text in italics and also writing the text in a separate paragraph, with the author at the beginning of the paragraph.

When the text you borrowed is mixed with your own comments, it's easy to miss the reference to the real author.

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Old 9-Feb-2005   #24
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Al,

I only seen one single quotation mark in the second paragraph, it does not seem to imply that almost your entire post was Brent's article.

Tough question you asked but maybe something like this would have sufficed?

As I said before, I have no experience with either chinese elm or the issue of dormancy. My advice was based stricly on an article written by Brent Watson.

Good references and explanation, never-the-less, thank you. I did find the following from Brent's article to be interesting:

"In order for these species to break dormancy and begin growing again they must acquire the requisite number of hours of cold temperatures. For most of these species it is 1000 hours of temperatures below 40F. Once this requirement has been satisfied the plant may begin growing again immediately. The new growth is triggered by temperature alone. If temperatures rise much above 40F for any extended period of time, say a week or so, the buds will break and the plant will begin growing. This can happen outside in January if there is a freak warm spell, or it can be artificially manipulated if plants are brought indoors. A return to cold weather will of course kill the new growth and buds."

Brent certainly lays it out in a easy to understand format.

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Copyright issues aside--and there are a few I think--the purpose of a commercial web site like Brent's is to draw traffic--a much different issue that simple traditional print attribution rules skirt. The bottom line with a web site is the more eyes on the pages, the more chance to actually sell something. His site isn't a library where the info is publicly provided. It more like a store with great books lying around...

Cutting and pasting such a large section from his web site deprives him of eyes and potential customers. It could also narrow what's available on his web site in the future, since he may lose some commerce if this kind of thing become common. He provides those wonderful articles as a way to inform people for free, but they are a draw to his site, like it or not. He wrote them, they are his, not community property. A simple link to the article would do wonders...
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Thank you all for your suggestions. I want to edit my post the way Carl explained, because he was the first to reply, but there is no "edit" button in my post. What should I do ?
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Oops... seems like we've triggerd a copyright diskussion here... Nevertheless, i read the complete Brent Watson article and have put the ch. Elm in the cold shed. Today it's about +2C in there and I hope it remains below +5C for a while, if not, I'll just put it in the fridge... Anyways, it's not a "hanging matter", the tree is not a masterpiece in progress. It's just a mallsai I have for learning... But I like it just the same and hope it survives my experimens I've also heard that ch. Elms are very forgiving and will hopefully endure some of my abuse...
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Thank you all for your suggestions. I want to edit my post the way Carl explained, because he was the first to reply, but there is no "edit" button in my post. What should I do ?

User "Edit" option disappears after 24 hours. I fixed it for you.

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Thank you Matt for fixing my post for me. The quotation looks good now.

Henke, I am quite confident that your tree will go dormant if the temperature keeps cool before spring and it will burst with new buds in april. Your climate must be a bit like ours in canada where the winter and spring are very long. But also the very long daylight periods we have during the summer makes the trees grow very fast in a very short period. Again, best of luck.
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Thank you!

Yes, I think Sweden and Canada are much alike when it comes to the climate. And there's a huge differece between the south and the north. Way up north in Lappland (midsommer)the sun doesn't go down at all for a couple of weeks! We call it the "midnight sun". And the reversed fenomena at midwinter of coarse..
But this winter must be the warmest in many years! Hardly any snow at all!(where I live). Actually it 's snowing heavily right now but it will probably be gone again tomorrow which is sad 'cause it brightens up a lot. Did you see Walter Pall's pictures of his own backyard last week? Thats's what I call a winter! I wish we could have some of that here..
Well, thanks again for helping me make up my mind! Now I'm just waiting for the leaves to turn yellow.(I hope they do, before they fall off)
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