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14-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
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Trees from Knees? How does that work?
Ok this one's been puzzling me since i saw Ron Martins' new cypress tree.
Now i'm pretty sure that cypress knees already have there own roots and could probably be collected as any other tree would be ..... the question is, how do you get them to produce foliage so that it will look like a tree at some point. besides the lack of branches and foliage they seem like the perfect material for getting big fat trunks and incredible taper. Looking forward to some answers for this one.
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14-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
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somewhat of an after-thought here. I'd also like to know if anyone has cypress collecting techniques that work well .... with trees or knees. Can bald cypress be air layered somehow? Again, looking forward to any answers.
thanks, Ian
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15-Nov-2004
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I don't think the knees sprout, but you could make a contact graft from another branch.
Bald cypress is very tough material. One collecting method is to treat the mature tree as a cutting. Cut around the root system with a short saw to remove the radial roots at a distance from the trunk. Then use the tree's weight to force it over on its side. Then cut the tap root with the saw. Clean up the cuts and reroot it. Regards, Matt
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15-Nov-2004
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Mr. Ian,
Mr. Matt is correct as far as I know concerning the best collection method on the trees...And I have never seen a 'knee' sprout leaves or branches, that is not saying they NEVER do it, just that I have not seen it...The knees, are I think best described as a knot on the root, although I have seen a few attached to the trunk flare...As to air layering the bald cypress, it is not as easy as many species but is possible...I have one which I air layered this spring an seperated the first part of October...It does appear to be doing well, and if it continues to grow roots and sprout new growth next spring, I will post a thread on the progress and method...I have already posted the method in another thread here on the forum, if you care to do a search for it... Regards Behr |
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15-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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The best results that I have seen is from grafting. Collect your knee and graft right into the top of the knee. Those that take will make a large trunk tree very quickly.
Glenn
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23-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
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Thanks for the info guys it'll be helpful one of these days when i find another cypress knee that i like and have access to. Unfortunately the one i had my eye on for the spring has been butchered by some kids having fun with a hatchet. Just my luck i guess. I think i'll make sure the next one is a little more secluded.
best regards, Ian
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24-Nov-2004
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Ian A cypress knee is just that a cypress knee. Dig one up and you then will have a dead cypress knee. As far as I know it won't sprout. The cypress that you saw at my house was the base of a cypress tree that had been topped out and a lower branch bent up to make an apex. Definitely not a knee. |
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24-Nov-2004
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would you be able to graft buds all over the knee and hope for the best?
(i have no experience, im just asking)
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24-Nov-2004
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Only if one wants to make a Tanuki. ;o) Hate to say it but it would be a waste of time. |
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24-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
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Ron, I guess i never looked close enough at your tree to see a cut. I'll try to make sure i've got the facts in the future before i shoot my mouth off again. As far as getting a knee to sprout, I had already given up on that, I was going to wait til spring and attempt to thread graft some single shoot liners/seedlings while air-layering the knee and knock out both birds in one shot. The knees do still have a cambium after-all. If for nothing else it'll at least be a good experiment now to see if it can be done. I have the whole method figured out in my head, now the last thing i need is a source of about 6 or 7 bald cypress liners when spring rolls around.Thanks, Ian
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