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26-Jan-2008
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are these cherry trees collectable?
..or worth collecting?
There are two of them pictured below - I've posted 3 images of each tree getting consecutively closer in the images. My father in law wants to get rid of them and has agreed to let me collect them if I want to. I'm thinking I'll chop and grow them for a season to try to develop a suitable trunk line, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how they should look, or if they even have any potential at all. They both have a lot of dead wood in the center. Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions. Steve
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26-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Nov-2007
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Have they been neglected or have they been sick? They don't look very vigorous. Cherry trees are prone to diseases. Our landscape cherry trees were so high maintenance we gave up on them, dug them up, and burned them to eliminate any residual disease. If you think they harbor disease don't bring them home. If it just neglect then maybe....
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26-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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Thanks Barbara.
They've definately been neglected, and I wouldn't rule out disease either. Thanks for the heads up about disease - any pointers about specifically what to look for? Thanks again, Steve
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26-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
Join Date: May-2007
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How urgent is their removal?
Could you chop them down to a couple of feet or so this year, and dig them up next year? I guess the best case scenario would be for your father-in-law to be happy with just having the trees less visible and not necassarily gone. In that case you could take a more gradual approach towards removing them. It's hard to tell from the pics, but the single trunk tree looks like it has a nice big trunk with a possible new leader already in place. I'd do what ever I could to save that one. Good Luck, Myrtle |
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26-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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Thanks Myrtle.
Father in law is cool w/ letting me take as much time as I'd like to remove them. He just doesn't use the cherries and doesn't like the mess they make each season when they drop. I'm thinking the same thing you are - I've attached an image of each tree w/ indications of where I'm thinking I'll chop them. Do you think they'll survive this? And, when should I do the chop? Early spring or late summer? The one w/ the bigger trunk is mostly deadwood w/ a live vein covering about 1/3rd of it and connecting w/ the two bottom branches. Thanks again, Steve
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26-Jan-2008
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Sometmes the temptation to collect what looks like a speciman tree is not thought out far enough in advance.
I think the first thing to consider is, "Do I have the knowhow to properly collect a tree of this size and have it survive" Too many people will undertake a task that is beyond their scope of experience. Not saying this is the case but its just something to keep in mind. I made my mistakes in the beginning and soon learned from them. There are right ways and wrong ways. Good luck with it. Hector
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27-Jan-2008
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Thanks Hector.
This will be my first attempt at collecting, so it seems like a good learning opportunity since these trees are doomed if I don't try to save them anyway. I have found lots of articles on collecting (yamadori) and have a few ideas for how to go about it but I would love to hear any advice anyone has for how I might best proceed w/ these particular trees..? Here is one collecting article that seems particularly informative. Thanks again, Steve
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27-Jan-2008
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How about spraying them with a dormant spray first to get at any diseases. Two separated dormant season applications is reccomended. You asked for any things to look for. Search for any blistered oozing area with a syrup color(might be crusty brown now). That would be canker disease=very bad.
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Steve, I didnt go thru what the others are saying , but the answer is yes. digem
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27-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Artisan
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Steve,
I have no experience with Cherry trees. If I had to guess I'd say early spring for a chop, like most deciduous trees, if they're healthy. I'd try to get them healthy as possible though. Nothing will work out if they aren't. I'd try to clear weeds and such for a foot or more around the trunks, put down a little mulch, and try to figure out what's ailing them. Ask someone at a local nursery for help if possible. I'd even try to take a few pictures to show them. The more they have to go on the better they'll be able to help. By the way you've described them I don't think they would survive any major insult right now. Good Luck, Myrtle |
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