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Old 4-Dec-2006   #11
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I think your design challenge will be to create reasonable looking taper from the cut ends to the new branches that you grow out. Selective carving may help create the taper. The hawthorn callus is something you will have to work with as well - a cut end does not heal like other deciduous trees.

The tree should back bud all over - once it has settled in and starts pushing new growth - you will probably get buds everywhere - including shoots right from the trunk. The new shoots will grow in every possible direction and will have to be wired early to control the growth. You can use the extra shoots to help heal scar areas where cuts have been made as well...

I am a fan of Peter Adams book - The Art of Flowering Bonsai - esp. the section on Hawthorn - although his trees are collected trees from the UK -

Good luck with your hawthorn project...Tom.
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Old 13-Dec-2006   #12
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Hawthorn.

Let It Grow, Let It Grow, Let It Grow.
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Old 13-Dec-2006   #13
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how do hawthorns feel about being collected btw? do they handle it well?
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Old 14-Dec-2006   #14
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They love it !!! I know alot of people that have them and they flourish like a weed.

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Old 14-Dec-2006   #15
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how do hawthorns feel about being collected btw? do they handle it well?
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Hawthorns are difficult to root after collection, but I can neither confirm nor deny this. I have 2 small collected Hawthorns, one of which is developing quite an impressive root-spread, and the other is a stick with a fat root coming off one side.

Good looking tree, JB! My limited exerience with Hawthorns leads me to think you should leave the stumps intact for the time being, especially if there is any growth on them. I'd use this year to let it grow like mad, and any growth on those stumps will aid the tree's attempts to re-establish a healthy root system, as well as contributing to greater taper. Once the tree is settled and the stumps have served their purpose, I'd be rid of them in the manner ElGringo suggests.

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thanks

Thanks for the tip...that is what I had intended to do to get some good rootage, as that is what will ensure the survival of the plant.

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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Hawthorns are difficult to root after collection, but I can neither confirm nor deny this. I have 2 small collected Hawthorns, one of which is developing quite an impressive root-spread, and the other is a stick with a fat root coming off one side.

Good looking tree, JB! My limited exerience with Hawthorns leads me to think you should leave the stumps intact for the time being, especially if there is any growth on them. I'd use this year to let it grow like mad, and any growth on those stumps will aid the tree's attempts to re-establish a healthy root system, as well as contributing to greater taper. Once the tree is settled and the stumps have served their purpose, I'd be rid of them in the manner ElGringo suggests.

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Old 17-Dec-2006   #17
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I like Hawthorn's...
What I find with them is that they will grow, but very slow (not very vigorous)

You have good movement on the trunk, (well done) I would also let it grow like John said and then see where you are going with it... take care Lance..
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Old 27-Mar-2007   #18
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Couldn't resist a repot and a trim back

As requested by Anttal63 here it is....Yes the title says it all.... Got the huge pot for $20 so I had to repot it. I was very careful with all the roots and replacing the pot into the new pot as it is the wrong time of year for a repot as we are in our last months of Autumn, but it was putting on some larger growth. Hopefully the new pot will create a warmer environment for root growth. I will also do a couple of soaks in root hormone. (It may go into the hothouse over winter including hopefully a few new Olives to be dug out soon).Unfortunatly for you folks most of the nebari is under the soil as I am trying to promote more roots in that area ....sorry!!!

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OH the carving they will probably go and I don't know about the secondary trunk half way up....I would like something a bit non traditional.
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Old 27-Mar-2007   #19
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its on its way jb. just an idea, the second trunk could work if that leader was cascading, but needs to be strong, curvy and tapering.
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I had to repot it.

It will take a lot longer to develop branches worthy of that trunk if you keep it in that pot.

If I were you I would put it in the ground, or big pot at least, and feed it like mad to get some nice branch structure. As you have it now it will take you at least twice as long to acheive the branch structure I'm sure you want for such a nice trunk.

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