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18-Sep-2002
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Rip, I would hope that most people are intelligent enough to see where the teaching stops and the personal opinion starts. Thats just me. Frankly it does not make much differance to me how the others here pursue "their" hobby. I havn't professed that I am a guru on bonsai nor do I encourage others to do it the way I do. I just give "my" opinion. For instance The "backyard stinks thread on fertilizer. I felt the products that I was using were good. They have done some nice things for me. I wrote the article outlining what I did. Some people felt motivated to give it a try. It sure does not hurt my feelings if they don't try it. It was just an observation. I too, am not going to get into a "pissing contest" about being thought of as a teacher, thank you.
P.S. Let me clarify one thing also. I need to say work on the nebari for the next 20 years. No one sees the roots anyway. When I look for a tree it will have nice nebari, or will have the elements to fix it in a short time. Not buying a tree with a knarled twisted up set of bark covered roots in a soil washed out nursery can would be a no brainer. Also I said " do not come cheap" meaning that the trees that I posted would be extreamly expensive, and probably out of my budget. I in no way expressed that anyone should go out and buy a "cheap tree" nor did I advocate it. See, when I say "I will go out and look for", that means that is something "I" would do. When a person reads "You should go out and look for" that means I am suggesting that they do what I do. Look for "I" and "YOU" they are little words, but they mean so much. Please read my posts, and try to comment on the statements in the context they were meant. Bonsaial Last edited by bonsaial1 : 18-Sep-2002 at 08:43 PM. |
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19-Sep-2002
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Greybeard
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I too, have seen terrible examples of grotesque nebari. I agree, that the eye is drawn to them like a pimple on the end of your nose. so....
I offer this as food for thought only. Are we not talking about living sculpture here? Trees, and their asscociated, roots, trunks, branches and leaves, grow as time marches by. To say that I have never seen a tree like that in nature is a misnomer. To have the photo of the tree like I have presented is a perfect example of a tree like that in nature. Does the tree have to be in the ground on some busy street corner to count? Does not the tree offer a model of how a tree "could" me grown in the ground. Why can't we turn it around? Which came first the bonsai or the tree? Does nature have to provide models for all bonsai? Look at photo 2 which, BTW, I think contains as many as 5 trunks, flows frome the trunk into a perfect curving form into the soil. The flare of the first branches and the subtle trunk combined with the smooth gracefull flow of the nebari, captures, I think, the most perfect model in any artists repertoire could contain, "the nude female body". The outline of this tree is classic. The perfect curves. I have included a pic of the tree "planted" in the pot. When looking at the tree now, the tree is somehow missing its life blood. You can't say that the oil spill has not added weight and power to the tree. This tree is just not powerful like this. The tree has just gained back about 100 years to its life. The fountain of youth has been found. This tree looks juvenile. To be fair I have not removed the flare at the base. |
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19-Sep-2002
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Greybeard
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When I look at the tree after the post, I also feel the the tree is very unbalanced now. The tree to be balanced, would need a reduction of the branch spread by about 15%. The tree would also need to be potted down.
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19-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Al said: "To say that I have never seen a tree like that in nature is a misnomer. To have the photo of the tree like I have presented is a perfect example of a tree like that in nature"
I don't know, Al. Don't you think that would be stretching the meaning of "nature" past the limits? I thought I was pushing the edge with my story about the oak tree in the park with the roots run over with the mower. There's not really anything natural about trees growing in pots. One wouldn't normally find them growing that way. They wouldn't last a week if we weren't watering and tending to their needs. "Look at photo 2 which, BTW, I think contains as many as 5 trunks, flows frome the trunk into a perfect curving form into the soil." I think you are probably right about the 4-5 trunks. My monitor is getting dim and going out. I can make out some shadows behind the left and middle trunks but can't really see any details. Whatever? It's a quality tree. You won't find many like this one. Tony |
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19-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Jeez Matt! Where do you come up with all this stuff? Your bookmark folder must be a mile long.
Last edited by Tony : 19-Sep-2002 at 06:46 AM. |
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19-Sep-2002
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GUEST
Join Date: Jul-2002
Country: Australia
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Well thats put paid to this thread!.
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19-Sep-2002
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Learning Every Day
Join Date: Apr-2002
Posts: 241
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this pic was taken from a walkway maybe 10 feet off the ground at the Adelaide Zoo. Its a fig (duh) and is probable a few hundred years old. nice roots but!! On the right hand side of the picture there is a bowl nailed to the tree, that is probably about 5-6 feet off the ground. I forgot to add a coke can
 juls I think roots are a very good idea for bonsai!! well, for all trees really |
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19-Sep-2002
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Learning Every Day
Join Date: Apr-2002
Posts: 241
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these guys dont mind hanging out in the figs with the oil slick roots...
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19-Sep-2002
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Learning Every Day
Join Date: Apr-2002
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and this free flying macaw called charlie didnt mind hanging out in the trees either (i know im off the subject, but hey, hes a cute parrot)
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