Discussion of the "All there is to know" thread

grampz

Thanks Will for once again awarding me with your now famous negative reputation points so freely given to anyone that does not agree with you or think you are the best thing that ever happened to a bonsai forum...

I would like to add a link...All there is to know about these posts...

Regards, and looking forward to some more of those negative rep points...
Behr

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Will_Heath

Grampz, as long as you are complaining, let's quote my neg rep comment.

"Insulting me is one thing, but suggesting that Matt sells favors is another."

Given in reference to your post telling Ron that he may need to give more money to the forum because his post and response to me was deleted. This was by far the most deserving neg rep I have ever given.

Now maybe you could explain why you call these "All there is to know" threads spam?



Will

Joanie

Calling the threads "All There is to Know" seems no different than the title on many books, which aren't any more accurate. There are plenty of inaccuracies and misstatements in books, magazines, articles, and online. In fact, I would argue that having SO MANY links from so many different sources, with arguments back and forth, would be if anything more likely to be useful. If the person takes the time to read them all, he will get information from more than one person, and can also pick and choose what he agrees with or what suits his particular situation.

So many bonsai books are outdated, and have misleading information to start with. They are one person's opinion. One person's growing experience. One person's taste.

There is a series of books "Idiots Guide to...." and another "such and such for Dummies". There is a series of auto and motorcycle repair books called "The Complete Idiots Guide to...". No one buying them really believes that they are idiots or dummies, only that they are looking for basic information. And no one who looks at a book or thread called "All there is to know" really thinks that there is no more to learn...! And no other information...! It's just a good group of references, a place to start, especially for beginners who aren't going to go out and buy a bunch of expensive books for their one or two trees. Or for someone looking for a nugget of knowledge that their books don't contain.

Joanie

RonMartin(deceased)

Ron would really like to keep out of this conversation. What I can't really understand is why my name comes up here so often and just why some get so riled when it does.
But I do keep coming up so FWIW here are my thoughts

As to the "All there is to know" threads they are not all that there is to know. Just a collection of web sites. Nothing more and nothing less.
Web sites can be put up by almost anyone with a computer. The only real knowledge that is needed is in how to run that computer. One has to realize what the web is and take it for just that. A loosely bound pile of information the is sometimes right but mostly a tinker toy.
No peer review, no editor, no proof reading leads to iffy information.
All there is to know starts with John Naka's books and goes on from there. Reputable people and known artists are the way to go.
Save the internet for when you are bored or can't go out and play with your trees. Then hit Goggle and pick your own web sites.

pootsie

Ron, you give very little credit to what the internet can be, and sometimes is. No, the internet is not peer-reviewed, but it can be a powerful tool.

Will has done a great job collecting useful links by topic, and I'm sure someone will be able to make use of it and be grateful. I'm sure he knows that it's not "all there is to know," so y'all can ease up on that. Instead of tearing the idea down, we could all add to it and help.

pootsie

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TreeBay

I've moved about half a dozen all about threads into the wiki and closed them.

From the wiki, anyone can add to them without necessarily creating new posts in the forum. Also dead links could be removed and discussion about those links can take place in the TALK tab behind the page.

The general index is here:
http://wiki.bonsaitalk.com/index.php/All_About_Bonsai

Only a few of the link lists are currently moved, but you can see the general layout. I am not sure this is the PERFECT tool but it is certainly a better one. I am also having a look at some alternate link management software.

Feel free to continue with the existing 'All about' threads or create new ones in the meantime). The ones that have been moved can be maintained in wiki world.

Regards,

Matt

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agraham

Thanks Matt,

good move.

andy

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No, actually the thread in question had to do with Mike Page, and the thread he started. The argueing had nothing to do with me. It had to do with Brian Bay asking questions about Andy's critique and why it was so arrogant and condescending. Your actions went on to back up Andy's chioce of words and more argueing ensued within what could have been a very nice thread. My suggestion on the whole matter was to take the off topic discussion out of the thread. I was told by others that this was a discussion forum and that this was discussion.

It seems now, there are some that wish to have their threads remain clean and unsoiled. Not crapped up with discussion that is offtopic. Wow, what a concept.

I went on to start a thread about maybe advocating starting discussion threads about possibly hot topics here It was met with negativity. In fact the administrator went on to say



All I am saying is that each of us deserves the same respect as any other here. If I want to post and have a clean thread with all the things I find distasteful removed, so be it. Whats the difference if its a distasteful reply in one of the "All there is to know" threads or a distasteful reply in a wonderful presentation of a great display piece. I feel they deserve mutual respect.

We want the same thing. I just want it for everybody, not just some. For the record I have never complained about any critique of anything I have ever posted here. For that matter, Mike and I have probably posted the most bonsai for review here than any other contributer here. My work speaks for itself as does Mike's.

Thanks Al

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TreeBay

Al, please go back and read your post. My remark was in direct response to your suggestion:

(my emphasis in bold) You've taken my remarks out of context. I most certainly did not advocate that people litter posts with negativity. To suggest I did is simply a gross distortion of what I did write.

Regards,

Matt

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