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Old 2-Jul-2004   #1
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Elm Dropping Leaves Left And Right

Hi,
My new elm is dropping leaves left and right.
I understand that elms can be tempermental and that it could be dropping its leaves in anger at me. I did neglect to water it for two days (I've been watering it every two to three days, and there was a four-or-so day gap). I've since been very good about watering it, but it's still developing more yellow leaves every day and dropping both yellow and green.

Is it angry, or is it in trouble?

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Old 2-Jul-2004   #2
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it's now lost about 50% or 60% of its leaves. I'm about to give it up for lost and reuse the pot unless someone here can reassure me...

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What kind of elm is it? Chinese Elms are pretty forgiving and probably wouldn't give up the ghost that soon. Just because it's dropping leaves doesn't mean it's over. Wait a bit longer and see what happens.
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Are you trying to keep it indoors?

I haven't had an elm drop leaves on me before. Except when it's supposed to - in Fall.

Do you have a picture of the tree?

Did it undergo a dormant period last winter? Overwatering could also cause problems like this...

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Old 3-Jul-2004   #5
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It's a dwarf chinese elm, I'm not sure of the precise veriety. I am keeping it, and another elm indoors, which according to the Bonsai store owner (not mallsai, a legit store) is an acceptable way to keep them. I don't know if it went dormant last winter as I only came into ownership of it a month or so ago. It was pushing new growth until it suddenly started dropping all its leaves.

My other elm of the same veriety is doing fine, and I've had it since around December. It did not go dormant, and my Bonsai guy said that these shoulnd't.

Is my information incorrect? If so, I'll need to give these trees to someone who can winter them outdoors. I live in an apartment in CT and cannot winter them myself.

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The two most common problems with temperate bonsai is

1) Trying to grow them indoors
2) Overwatering or underwatering

I would move it outside and let it get some sunshine and ventilation. Plants really need that. Also check out the information on watering in the ***FAQ***

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I put them outside on my air conditioner most sunny days and take them in at night (or leave them out if I know it's not going to rain or get too cold). Is that a good thing to do?

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My air conditioner gets very hot, especially when it's running. I have no idea about yours. Where do you live that it gets too cold for elm trees at night in July?

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Check to see if your elm has spider mites. Use a spray bottle to spray a fine mist of water all over the plant. If you see small silky webs all over (that are really difficult to see with the naked eye), you have spider mites. I just dealt with them for the last month. I thought I was going to lose my elm, but it pulled through. If you do have mites use an insecticide or frequent sprayings with castille soap or dish soap. I also add alot of tobacco to my soap solution, wich adds to its toxic potency. Good luck with it!!
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I was having trouble with my chinese elm as well. I don't think it was getting enough light in my backyard.

So recently I purchased a grow light to grow it indoors that way I can keep a couple of things constant, and provide everything I can to it.

The tree did okay last winter under two 20 watt fluorescent bulbs, but now it is under a 125W Grow light. It was a complete setu from HydroFarm.

It has been under the light for about four days now. The leaves have really gotten a lot darker. Today was its first day under a full 12 hours of light. I expect to see some buds in the next few weeks hopefully.

This light not only serves to save this tree, but it will be the light supply for my tropicals in the winter. I am in a similar situation where my chinese elm cannot stay outside for the winter. This year I think I am going to leave my tree outside through the fall, but bring it in before the soil can freeze solid. Hopefully that will give it a dormant period...more than it received last winter.


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