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andrew lenden's Avatar thoughts on commercial bonsai.
Written by andrew lenden

Posted 25-Feb-2006
thoughts on commercial bonsai.

Bonsai without artistry is evident in (all?) commercial bonsai. I myself believe the technical aspect here is undervalued and is worthy of respect in itself.
Bonsaiists scoff at the chinese import chinese elms and such like, but they are designed to appeal to the western view of what a bonsai should look like, so in effect we must blame ourselves for the poodle pads and s bends. they have been trained over several seasons using wire and stakes, chopped, grown on and trimmed to acheive a dense foliage mass, potted into ceramic pots and transported half way around the world in temperature controlled containers and then leafed out in heated greenhouses (at least here in the u.k.). All this for the price of a pack of fags upwards? This for me is craft to admire.
In this picture this is a previous TOD tree that was imported from korea to the U.K. in the spring of 2005 and quarantined until mid june, it arrive in a mica container and had a vigourous root system planted in a good inorganic soil of granite grit and akadama. Again this tree (and thousands more just like it)has been made to a formula to appeal to the western ideal of what a bonsai should be. To be commercially viable it has to! What impresses me is the care and craft that has gone into this tree, look at the trunk movement, of course contrived. There are no wire marks, the branches are well ramified and the foliage well pinched, even the bark was brushed. Again it was transported half way around the world this time for around the cost of a bouquet of flowers.
The third example here is imported from japan and again impressed me with the level of craft per pound, I,ve been growing acer palmatums for more than a decade that look stupid next to this one but yet I can,t see anything that could be called art in it but this does not diminish the skill I can see in the way the trunk has been built. Now has this tree been designed to the western formulae? I imagine so, the pine like horizontal branches are maybe a clue or maybe easier to design and train in mass production in this fashion. This tree was available for around the price of a cheap TV.
I,ve purposefully omitted to describe these three examples as bonsai, in a sense they are all mallsai, that is to say they are products of marketing designed to a price. I see these three trees as succesfull in there own context and all have merit and the growers have my admiration on the level of technical expertise shown.
To me art comes into bonsai when I can see a personal touch to a bonsai, when a personal style has been developed. Look at the work of Walter Pall, Robert Steven or Nick Lenz, there is no mistaking who,s work is who,s is there?
So whilst I think that commercial "bonsai" can show great technical competence, whilst the are designed by marketing and mass produced they can not be art.I know I,m talking apples and orangutangs here but the idea I,m trying to get across is that although a ford fiesta is not considered art and maybe a classic aston martin is, the ford fiesta is still a good car. thoughts? Andrew
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  #2  
by Mcspeed on 1-May-2006
Luck Brit's

Lucky you in the U.K., I will try to get a pic. of the dead mallsai, that was given to me as a thank you for some work I did. They knew I am into bonsai, and with out saying anything got a $49.95, marked down to $24.99 juniper. Here in the US they put some god awefull stuff out for sale and not so cheap, my experiance is that half are dead before they are purchased. This sat right next to some others I have(not mallsai) and those are just fine, no more mallsai for Bill, now I have to go find a small juiper and make it look like the dead one so there are no hurt feelings, I also just decided to take my sister in law to New England Bonsai gardens for a look see, and show and tell.
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by RonMartin(deceased)
on 1-May-2006
“I,ve purposefully omitted to describe these three examples as bonsai, in a sense they are all mallsai, that is to say they are products of marketing designed to a price. I see these three trees as succesfull in there own context and all have merit and the growers have my admiration on the level of technical expertise shown.”

Maybe one should define a mallsai. Not all commercially available trees are mallsai. Marketing does not make a mallsai. Where it was bought at does not make it a mallsai.

Things like glued on rocks do. Indoor junipers (?) also are mallsai. Sticks in a pot are.

Seedlings sold as bonsai are. Seedlings sold as seedlings are not.

A tree done in the Chinese style (those darned S turned trunks) are not mallsai. They are trees done in the Chinese style. Obviously the trees you have shown are not mallsai. Never were. At one time they were trees with potential. Now they are pretty darned good bonsai.
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by Vance Wood on 2-Jan-2007
Just because something is commercial does not mean it lacks artistic merit. Remember that most, if not all, of the great masters were commercial artists. Van Gogh agonized over the fact that he had trouble selling his paintings. Da Vinci made his living with his art, the science stuff was his hobby his art payed for. Michael Angelo made his income with painting and sculpture. The Sixteenth-Century artists all had patrons. Just because something is sold for money does not mean it is not art.

There seems to be this concept today, mostly by people who are not artists by profession, that in order for something to be art the creator of such items must be doing what they do because of some sort of compulsion, an almost uncontrollable drive to create beauty that overwhelms them. It is as though they go into a different level of consciousness we mere mortals cannot comprehend. God forbid that they may be driven by, dare I say it,-----money? Somehow the idea that art and money are mutually exclusionary is an absurd fantasy that those who wish to romanticize Art adhere to in order to find some sort of quasi-magic associated with it.

With the trees you have documented who is to say what was in the mind of those who styled them? Are the people that do this kind of work artists first, and have found that by making bonsai not only provides an income but is and outlet for their artistic talents? Do you think that the people who sell these things would say to someone you cannot make bonsai for my company because your trees are too artistic, or you are an artist and have no place in my business. I want clods and dolts to shove trees in pots.
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by edgey on 3-Jan-2007
If thats what you get as malsai in the uk, give em up I'll have one please. And the prices you mention are not comprehendable to me. In Oz those trees would be worth decent money. The work gone into each one is years not just a quick workshop.

Unfortunately people don't and wont pay big dollars for artistic value in a tree. The average punter who is buying a present for the missus isn't going to fork out the big dollars for art. He wants a bonsai and when they goes to buy it, will more than likely say to the vendor "have you got one that looks like the karate kid tree". They have a pre-concieved idea of what a bonsai looks like due to the marketing of bonsai in the west.
Any bonsai nursery that produces artistic trees only will soon be facing closure. Sure there will always be the awesome show trees when you walk into the nusery but the rest of the bonsai are pre-trained to an ideal, and that includes the pre-bonsai stock. For most, people need to see the potential already shaped so that they only need to slightly re-style it and then grow on. Those who can look at a totally untrained tree and see a future have generally been bonsaiing for years and have learned to be able to 'see' a tree for its potential.
To have only artistic bonsai takes too much time and time is money in business.
As said clods and dolts shoving trees into pots is the only way to go.
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by Mcspeed on 3-Jan-2007
Uh Ooh! Someone Arted

It occurs to me that too many expect way too much from pre bonsai, our trees go thru cycles that sometimes looks "good", more often if you have a good plan and the patience, they look close to "not bonsai". I think too many people want "cheap" material to work on and expect someone to put YEARS of work into a tree, and sell it cheap, something has to give somewhere.

As to the art aspect, you say those trees have basically good structure, to me the rest is experiance and fine tuning, the show tree also gets poofed up, the "art" part is so subjective as to where it starts, what makes it look good etc.. the rules as brought up in other threads put the tree into shapes, and sizes that put a tree in balance, thats what our eyes see, and our brains translate to the warm fuzzy feeling, if its right. If it is good art it follows the "rules" and those start with the trunk then branch placement. I guess thats my answer, if they are good as prebonsai, then they can be good art, not necessarily that they will be , but they can be.

at this point I will steal a line. -( and I didn't think I would ever be in an art discussion- I'm an engineer) - Uh Ooh! Someone Arted.

Bill
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