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  #121  
by Vonsgardens on 13-Jun-2007
Hans,
You know that we truly appreciate your wit and beautiful trees. By doing this exercise we keep popping (not pooping) this thread to the top of the list.

Cheers, John
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  #122  
by Joanie on 13-Jun-2007
Having some fun by joking around is good for all of us.

(pops and passes around some cold soft drinks, or beer if you prefer. Have some more chips and dip, too!)

It's like all gathering around after a show, and just talking. Among friends.

Joanie
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  #123  
by hansvanmeer on 13-Jun-2007
List of English words of Dutch origin

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This is a list of words of Dutch language origin. However, note that this list does also include some words of which the etymology is uncertain, and that some may have been derived from Middle Low German equivalents instead or as well. Some of these words, such as cookie and boss and aardvark, are without a doubt of Dutch origin. But, many of these words are similar not because they are Dutch loan words, but because English, like Dutch, is a Germanic language. Some of these words lack a counterpart in modern Dutch, having been lost since the time it was borrowed.
  • literally: the literal meaning of the Dutch word (the actual meaning is similar to the English one)
  • originally: the word originally had the meaning specified, but is in Dutch also used with the same meaning as in English


Contents: Top - 0–9 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z



[edit] A

Aardvark
from aardvarken (via Afrikaans) (=literally "earth pig") [1]
Ahoy
from hoi (="hello")
Apartheid
from apartheid (via Afrikaans) (="separateness") (meaning: racial segregation) [2]
Avast
from houvast (="holdfast, support") [3]


And this is only the letter A. You are all more closely connected to me than you think! Scary isn't it?

Hans.
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  #124  
by Vonsgardens on 13-Jun-2007
Can I get some shorts and one of those hats like the kid at the Dike had? John

(Hey Hans, you going to have a tree at Gingko this year, I am going to go for a couple of days. John)
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  #125  
by hansvanmeer on 13-Jun-2007
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Originally Posted by Vonsgardens
Can I get some shorts and one of those hats like the kid at the Dike had? John

(Hey Hans, you going to have a tree at Gingko this year, I am going to go for a couple of days. John)

Good to hear! I have seen a lot of entries for this show and there are some mind blowing bonsai coming from all over Europe!!! And yes I'm in the show with 5 bonsai and I'm one of the demonstrators there together with Sandro Segneri from Italië, Udo Fisher from Germany and William "Bill" Valavanis from the USA. So I'm looking forward to seeing you there, please come to me when you see me, I'm the guy with the "grin"on his face!
regards,
hans.


I'm soooo useless with these computers!

P.S:
I will bring some of those trousers and heads, if you promise to were them all day!









Last edited by hansvanmeer : 13-Jun-2007 at 03:49 PM.
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  #126  
by raj on 13-Jun-2007
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Originally Posted by hansvanmeer
More on this hot subject just started here:

http://www.artofbonsai.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1108

Hans.

Thanks for the link. I feel that way too. Chip Foose gets the Riddler Award for creating a masterpiece automotive art. The new owner should not get awards just for having the wallet big enough to purchase the work of art. Art shows reward the artist. Art shows do not reward the owners of fine art.
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  #127  
by Joanie on 13-Jun-2007
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The new owner should not get awards just for having the wallet big enough to purchase the work of art. Art shows reward the artist. Art shows do not reward the owners of fine art.
Raj, your comparison doesn't work, because bonsai trees grow and change. If you hang a painting on the wall, or put a sculpture on the mantlepiece, it will never change. The original artist's concepts remain whole. However, with bonsai, the tree needs to grow and change. It doesn't matter how much the new owner paid for it, they also have to keep it alive and healthy. They have to trim and prune it, fertilize it, and rework it when it outgrows the design. Even the slowest growing bonsai will eventually need working over. See how many articles in Bonsai Today are about completely restyling a very old bonsai.

No two people would ever be able to wire a tree exactly the same. There are a hundred choices to be made. And the last wiring can be completely changed by the next wiring, which can be wiped out by an infestation of spider mites or a hailstorm.

Art is static, and doesn't change. An owner with big bucks can put it somewhere safe, and it will be the same a hundred years from now. If he stuck that bonsai into a storage room, a hundred years from now all he would have is a dead husk.

Joanie
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  #128  
by Vance Wood on 13-Jun-2007
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Originally Posted by Joanie
Raj, your comparison doesn't work, because bonsai trees grow and change. If you hang a painting on the wall, or put a sculpture on the mantlepiece, it will never change. The original artist's concepts remain whole. However, with bonsai, the tree needs to grow and change. It doesn't matter how much the new owner paid for it, they also have to keep it alive and healthy. They have to trim and prune it, fertilize it, and rework it when it outgrows the design. Even the slowest growing bonsai will eventually need working over. See how many articles in Bonsai Today are about completely restyling a very old bonsai.

No two people would ever be able to wire a tree exactly the same. There are a hundred choices to be made. And the last wiring can be completely changed by the next wiring, which can be wiped out by an infestation of spider mites or a hailstorm.

Art is static, and doesn't change. An owner with big bucks can put it somewhere safe, and it will be the same a hundred years from now. If he stuck that bonsai into a storage room, a hundred years from now all he would have is a dead husk.

Joanie


I understand what you are saying but this is not entirely true. Most paintings of any note are not exactly as they were originally produced due to numerous restorations by conservators and museums trying to clean and or preserve them. The Last Supper, as originally painted, did not have a door in the middle of the bottom, and because DaVinci used an experimental tempera in painting it, it started to deteriorate with in his life time. I know I am stretching things a bit but master piece works of art are not unchangeable, or for the most part totally original.
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  #129  
by Joanie on 13-Jun-2007
Yes, you are stretching it a bit. Small changes may have been made in restored paintings, and big chunks may be knocked off Greek marbles, and bits of mosaics might be reconstructed, but that isn't the point. There are plenty of pieces of very old artwork that have been perfectly preserved and would be recognizable to the artists, even after four hundred years.

Note that when the Koreshoffs sold off their trees, it was with the understanding that the trees not be credited to them in the future. Their feeling was that the trees, under someone else's care, would no longer be theirs. As old and refined as those trees were, the new owner not only could not, but MUST not call it a Koreshoff tree. Interesting.

Joanie
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  #130  
by Vance Wood on 13-Jun-2007
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Originally Posted by Joanie
Yes, you are stretching it a bit. Small changes may have been made in restored paintings, and big chunks may be knocked off Greek marbles, and bits of mosaics might be reconstructed, but that isn't the point. There are plenty of pieces of very old artwork that have been perfectly preserved and would be recognizable to the artists, even after four hundred years.

Note that when the Koreshoffs sold off their trees, it was with the understanding that the trees not be credited to them in the future. Their feeling was that the trees, under someone else's care, would no longer be theirs. As old and refined as those trees were, the new owner not only could not, but MUST not call it a Koreshoff tree. Interesting.

Joanie


Some other artist may have a totally contrary point of view, and some future connisure of bonsai may wish to have the tree known by the individual that created it.
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