What if, like me, you started out like the second half of this statement and then in a couple of years found yourself like the first half

Regards,

Chris.

They're the ones with too much time on their hands cus' they aren't busy creating the art?!?!?


I like what was said earlier- bonsai with "soul"...



It represents a lack of understanding of artitic fundamentals and/or a true innate feeling for nature and a lack of vocabulary...


I think they've seen that the this horse was dead a long time ago. Although I think a few give it a tickle every so often just to make sure...



Aren't the C students from the art colleges teh ones that become the vindictive little critiques?



Apparently he logs into Bonsai Talk where it doesn't matter ! ;^)



Sounds like a question for Andy...

Actually it sounds like you're kicking the horse with the "Art vs. Craft" brand...

BTW- did you get my email about my house?

Yep And artfully done it was ;o)

No one has answered one of them yet. Maybe one day ;o)

So aside from old questions posted that were answered many times before. The basic premise presented here still lives on without serious, logical challenge. Much else not posted here at all has, but the original intent of the article lives on.

Please read the original post if you haven't as I am seriously hoping for further debate and possible exchanging of ideas.

For the usual suspects who want to belittle me for this post and my beliefs, the fact that I am a beginner has never been denied, I have few show quality trees, one in my gallery, a few accents posted, about 60 in serious training and about 500 pines in the ground. I have had no formal training, I sell Fords, and my right toenail is split. ..There, now that we have that out of the way, lets get some intelligent discussion underway.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts,


Will

Will, you could clarify the apparent contradiction I highlighted, which would better enable me to see what your basic premise is. Maybe then we could swap ideas?

Regards,

Chris.

Will
As one of your usual suspects must say that I think you're getting a bit paranoid. I thought I said who my comments were addressed to in the first line of my original post on this subject.
Do you need me to repeat it )

Carl
Instead of refrencening just one part of a post you really should refrence the whole thing.
It does make good reading when the whole story is told starting with post one.
http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...0168#post100168
It is sort of a work of fiction when abbreviated isnt it ;o)

My apologies Chris, I thought it was obvious, I didn't realize it was still unanswered until I read it in someone else’s quote.

I said…“Over the course of the last year various threads have popped up here and there that I personally feel are detrimental to the art of bonsai and how it is perceived by all who happens to stumble upon such threads.” (Read newbies, first timers, and all bonsaist)

And then I said….“Bonsai was defined as an art form long before any of us were born, long before our parents and grandparents were born, I hardy think it will be redefined by a couple people who haven’t one single, actual bonsai to show.”


Such posts could influence a newbie or other persons reading them, causing much wasted time and set backs...however such crap can not change the art as experienced people know better and others will eventually realize the untruthfulness, all it can do is slow down peoples personal development, hence slowing down their progression and thereby being detrimental to there advancement and thereby detrimental to the art.

No the few hobbyist are highly unlikely to “change” the art as we know it, but they can be “detrimental” to it.


I hope I answered your question Chris,

Will

Ron, at the risk of being rude, I'm afraid that I'll have to ignore you once again, you have added nothing to this thread except vaugeness and attempts to incite. I was hoping you could be invovled in this discussion as you have always been a spokesperson against artisic bonsai.


Will