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  #61  
by RonMartin(deceased)
on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by midwestbonsai
This is why we made the following announcement HERE
and
HERE
-Paul

Would the same author be able to post more articles to that forum in the future.
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  #62  
by midwestbonsai on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by RonMartin
Would the same author be able to post more articles to that forum in the future.
In this case yes, but with only a list of references and a very thorough reading of the article and the references by all editors. We will do everything we can so that this does not happen again.
-Paul

Last edited by midwestbonsai : 19-Sep-2006 at 12:05 AM.
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  #63  
by Joanie on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by midwestbonsai
In this case yes, but with only a list of references and a very thorough reading of the article and the references by all editors. We will do everything we can so that this does not happen again.
-Paul
So, you are saying that an author that intentionally plagarized multiple articles will be allowed to continue to post articles at the site, as long as everyone who looks at it agrees that it is "honest"? Or that they are unaware of the possible un-referenced original material that he may have copied instead?

As far as many of us are concerned, his credibility is gone. So anything that he writes in the future is not worth reading. And a site, or a publisher, that uses his materials is also taking a risk with their own reputations. That's what happens in real life, Paul. The games and nonsense have to stop. You can't keep moving the goalpost to accomodate the prima donna player.

Joanie
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  #64  
by sauce on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by Joanie
The games and nonsense have to stop. You can't keep moving the goalpost to accomodate the prima donna player.
Well said Joanie!!
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  #65  
by RedPine on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by sauce
Well said Joanie!!





Indeed!
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  #66  
by FlyBri on 18-Sep-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanie
You can't keep moving the goalpost to accomodate the prima donna player.

AAAAAAARH Joanie!

If we still had the Reputation System, I'd be giving you a handful of green dots for that. Now, why did we abandon that system again?

Peace.

Fly.

[EDIT] Can somebody please tell me what is the difference between "unintentional" and "intentional" plagiarism? Is it like the difference between manslaughter and murder? As far as I know, there are only three (3) forms of plagiarism, all of which are self-serving:

1 - lazy plagiarism;
2 - dishonest plagiarism; and
3 - lazy, dishonest plagiarism. [EDIT]

Last edited by FlyBri : 18-Sep-2006 at 11:52 PM. Reason: What is "unintentional" plagiarism???
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  #67  
by Joanie on 18-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by FlyBri
AAAAAAARH Joanie!

If we still had the Reputation System, I'd be giving you a handful of green dots for that. Now, why did we abandon that system again?

Peace.

Fly.
Hmmm..... someone who couldn't play by the rules? Someone who used it as a punishment against others? Someone who systematically probed the system for small loopholes, then exploited them until the entire thing had to be trashed? It's hard to remember now.... there was some sordid and petty person attached to the downfall of the rep system.

Can't recall his name, however. Just as well. Obscurity is the fate that he deserves.

Joanie
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  #68  
by BrianBay9 on 19-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by bumblebee
How does someone "Unintentionally" plagiarise a work almost word for word? And why would anyone accept this as an apology?


Libby


Agreed. Any modestly educated adult knows better.

Brian
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  #69  
by JLDoggett on 19-Sep-2006
I had not planned on saying a word on this issue but I read that apology and could not ignore it.

This was the most backhanded apology I have ever read. It is like a mea culpa followed by a slap across the face. It is not remorse he is showing. but anger at being caught. In the circles I travel plagiarism is anathema. To be caught doing it would cause your academic standing to be stripped, to have your future articles refused and to find yourself shunned by most in your field. If he were a teacher, he would. most likely, now be unemployed; if a student he could be barred from many colleges; as a researcher he would be an non-publishable laughing-stock. As they say in legalese “ignorance of the law is no excuse”. To claim no prior knowledge of the rules though at the same time claiming to be an author of repute is insipid at best, foolhardy at worst. To have no knowledge of the proper formats of researched writing is hard to accept from one who claims to be so well informed. How gullible are we assumed to be? This from a man who impugned the integrity if any person who ever questioned his writings.

To defend such an action “hate the sin but forgive the sinner” is unacceptable to most rational people, swallowing bile is not something rational people do willingly. Unintentional plagiarism, give me a break! there is no such thing, it would be like being a little bit pregnant. Plagiarism is not a word that can be qualified in such a manner. It calls into question how many times it has happened in other articles and the integrity of any publication or site that will post or host his writings. It taints any past articles and certainly any future articles of such an author. Why should one author not be held to the same standards as the rest of the knowledgeable world?

To think that this will never be repeated is folly. This is not a situation of forgive and forget, it is a situation of enough is enough.

JLDoggett
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  #70  
by RonMartin(deceased)
on 19-Sep-2006
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Originally Posted by midwestbonsai
In this case yes, but with only a list of references and a very thorough reading of the article and the references by all editors. We will do everything we can so that this does not happen again.

-Paul


That is your call and a very charitable stance you and the other editors are taking. Hopefully it won’t be too costly a decision.

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