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View Poll Results: Is Bonsai mostly Art, or mostly Horticulture?
Mostly Art 4 15.38%
Mostly Horticulture 1 3.85%
About equally Art & Horticulture 21 80.77%
No opinion 0 0%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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by TreeBay on 11-Aug-2002
Art or Horticulture

Bonsai enthusiast Bill Chandler, believes that bonsai is 90 percent art and 10 percent horticulture.

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by mfp1028 on 11-Aug-2002
I didn't understand this particular statement :
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As for the myth of "cruelty" or doing "unnatural" things to plants, Chandler looks to nature for a reply. He points out a cypress bonsai and a regular cypress, both 40 years old, match botanically. Almost in the same breath he carries that idea further into a height myth, that a plant cannot be called bonsai unless it's a certain - usually low -- height. It's all relative, he says. A 4-to-6-foot cypress bonsai is as much cypress as its 50-foot or taller counterpart. And "6-man bonsai" are so called because it takes that number of men to move them.
That didn't really rebuttal the myth, if you torture a forty year old (person) and compare him to a non-tortured forty year old person they will still match botanically. duh. I am not defending those that say bonsai is cruel. Tree huggers are stinky.
Also he probably didn't have to "paint" a living tree to look dead, he should have just used a dead tree. \

alright bye
mike

I would say 60 percent horticulture and 38 percent observation and 1 percent cursing and 1 percent patience
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by GaryS on 13-Aug-2002
Well with a degree in horticulture, forgive my bias.

After doing bonsai for 27 years I'd say it sure helps to understand how a plant lives and survives from day to day. I personally think a knowledge of the external and internal dynamics of plant growth is important to successful bonsai growing. Once understood, you have a better chance keeping them alive for a long time, which is what we all try and do.

I only have a few trees that have been with me from the start.

The Art of Bonsai combines horticultual understanding with the Art of living sculpture. Here lies the rub.

I think if you study trees in Nature and see how they grow and the different shapes they take on as the years go by and understand why they look as they do you can let your imagination take over and see what results with your trees over a span of time.

It also helps in the early stages of learning to study the great bonsai trees that have lived and died over the past couple of centuries.

So, in the end, it's a mixture of horticulture and the Art of training plants.

An excellent book for beginners as well as long time growers is "The Art of training Plants" by
Ernesta Drinker Ballard. Along with all of the other excellent books by Murata, Yoshimura and Naka, along with the contemporary authors.

IMHO, in the end it's 25% Horticulture-25% Sculpture and 50% blood, sweat, and tears.
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by Tony on 13-Aug-2002
"Bonsai enthusiast Bill Chandler, believes that bonsai is 90 percent art and 10 percent horticulture"

I guess it depends on if you want living art or dead art. You better get the horticulture right or you will never get to the art.

I would put it more like a 50/50 mix of horticulture and art, each interdependent on one another to acheive long term goals.

"Tree huggers are stinky."

That's priceless!

Tony

Last edited by Tony : 13-Aug-2002 at 04:01 AM.
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by TreeBay on 13-Aug-2002
I suppose it's appropriate that the majority of the new user questions we get concern horticulture. Things like:
  • Keeping a dying tree alive
  • Keeping a tree blooming and thriving
  • Keeping moss green
  • Killing bugs
  • What kind of trees to grow where
  • What kind of tree is it?
  • Getting branches to grow where there aren't any
  • When to transplant, what to use for soil
It's really nice that the advent of digital cameras has made it easy to discuss and share artistic questions on a forum like this as well!

Regards,

Matt
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by doody on 21-Aug-2002
If you were seeking a carear in bonsai, what type of coarses would you take first? Those geared at growing, propagating, and keeping trees alive, or those geared at shapeing and style?
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