Seems that so much information being tauted as "All there is to know" about various bonsai subjects is not or may not be that at all.
Remember that written articles are only someones opinion and does not reflect what may be accepted as the most widely accepted method to do whatever the article is being written about.

Therefore, it is hardly "all there is to know" and should only be regarded as "here say." "Opinion"

No one person knows "all there is to know" about any one subject nor is qualified to determine same.

If the articles were "all there is to know" then there would be nothing else to learn. We all know that there is always something else, something new to us, to learn.

Therefore I declare the articles which contain the words "All there is to know" as a

MYTH !

And should be considered as heresay.

The post above was originally posted in Articles, which is a moderated forum, so consequently the post did not appear. I've moved it here to Opinion.

This point was already debated since that time in the now-closed thread, but if anyone has any unique point to make and can do so in a non incendiary way, please go ahead and do that. Hopefully this can be done without getting personal.


Regards,

Matt

Myth,

As I said before and again and one more time after that.....

The "All there is to know" threads were designed to be added to as articles, threads, and new information became available. In that sense they were in fact, all there was to know (at the moment).

I also asked repeatedly that anyone add any information that was overlooked so that all available information was there. I also challenged you to find any information that was not contained in the links, to which you had no reply and which would have been self defeating because as soon as you found some, I would add it, making it once again....all there was to know.

You seem to have a fixation with the title to these threads for some strange reason that I'm sure is not world shaking, good luck in your quest, never-the-less.


Will


Oh yeah by the way, bolder and bigger doesn't mean it is read with more meaning or understanding, in fact it is often seen as shouting or raising of voice.

It's spelled "hearsay," by the way.

And generally, hearsay refers to second-hand information, whereas an article about the author's observations is first-hand knowledge or opinion. Unreliable, possibly, but not "hearsay" by definition. It isn't hearsay unless the author is reporting some third person's opinion or observations.

Now "heresy" is a different matter ...

pootsie

Don't be so sure, Pootsie. He wrote heresay, which could as easily be "heresy" as "hearsay", after all.

As is, "I used Preparation-H instead of cutpaste...."

Best regards,
Carl

As I recall the 'all there is to know' threads involved many different people and websites. Not just one person! Who is the supreme being that determines what is opinion and what is the the "most widely accepted method". Oh I almost forgot you are the supreme being! And since no one person knows all there is to know how do you know enough to call this thread a myth?

Giving links to a group of related articles is not hearsay. It is a very good way to point people towards further reading. All of the articles dealing with bonsai which are linked in the threads are from various sources, and give a person varied opinions. They are more balanced than a book, or even two. Plenty of books that we use have wrong information. Or information that doesn't apply in someone else's climate etc. By giving as many links as possible (and inviting people to add to them when another good link is found) the All There is to Know series does us all a service.

I have used these links, and will continue to use them, when trying to help beginners. There is nothing inappropriate in using them. They are like an encyclopedia, a reference guide. They are an INDEX that you can turn to for a quick overview.

Joanie

will said:


Assuming this is true, that every link about bonsai on the entire web was included, then it still would just be "everything there is to know about bonsai on the web." It's not hard to imagine that there are bonsai masters out there who know a few things - techniques, tips, whatever - that have not been typed out and posted on the internet.

Now will, please don't take this as an attack against you and throw me some more neg rep. I personally have no problem with you calling your posts whatever you like - free country and all.

- bob

(shaking head) I really, truly don't understand why everyone's hackles are up about the title. Go to a bookstore or library.... titles are just that. Some of them say "The Complete..." and aren't, of course. Some say "Idiots Guide to..." and aren't. That's just the nature of titles. Go ahead and google, you'll see.

Anyone on this forum can compile a good list of links and name it what they like. But only Will did. Instead of criticizing and mocking, why not spend some time making an effort to contribute something of your own? Spend your time contributing, not deriding. We all gain when people put in an effort. Write an article, go out and do a photo essay..... call it something positive. So few people really contribute good work here. It all seems to fall to the same dozen or so, and it's very disheartening.

Yes, I just threw you all a challenge. Turn your energy into something positive and useful, and show us all how it can be done. Go out and take a photo of your best tree for TOD. Go do a nursery review. Write an article about your special technique or knowledge.

I'm off to the San Diego show, and when I come back I plan to contribute something that you can all enjoy and learn from. Heaven knows what, but there will be something good and positive to bring back to you all. Because it is so much better to build up than to tear down.

Joanie

If I choose to throw some neg rep it would be because of your accusation that I would give it for such a trivial thing, not for your words.

A very select few (less than 5) here have received neg rep from me in the last few months, however over 20 have received positive points, the problem is you never hear the ones who get positive points whining and complaining about them. Therefore a very small segment who complains about negs can make it appear that I give out neg reps consistently and without reason. This is simple bulldoodoo and is nothing short of character assassination. The fact that isn't brought up is that I most likely am one of the top pos rep givers on this forum, which I am sure many could vouch for.

Again, if you know of any information that isn't included in the links post it and I will add it to a thread, thereby making it once again, "All there is to know." This debate is pointless, senseless, and only exists because I compiled this resources, I am quite sure that had it been someone else, these discussions would not take place, the threads would not be closed or moved, and a different tone about them would exist. Sad, isn't it, that such a great tool is attacked and changed by 5 single members out of thousands.


Will