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21-Sep-2004
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I hope these pics are a little better. The first is better, but the second could use a better backdrop!
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11-Oct-2004
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Al, I am so impressed by your "photo essay". I wish that there was somebody like you here in the Ozarks. I think it would be very eye-opening to see what you would find and what you would do with it.
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28-Oct-2004
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I really enjoyed reading this thread, great photo story. I would love to go and dig some raw material, but its not proving easy here in the UK.
I have approached 8 Scottish Highland estates with a carefully worded e-mail requesting permission to dig a Pine or two - absolutely no joy at all!!! The ones that replied refused, just one kind forestry director offered European Larch but no pines on his estate. I can now see why any raw pine material is so incredibly expensive.  |
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28-Oct-2004
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Arnie,
Maybe you could offer to do some useful work for them in trade - clear trails or deadwood or something, and offer to sign a release of liability for injury to yourself. Regards, Matt
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28-Oct-2004
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Arborial tendencies
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or just bribe the Forestry manager with a good bottle of single malt
 Seriously, its proving near on impossible....maybe a visit in person would be more frugal. One problem is the Scottish Estates are working on a regeneration programme of the natural Calodonian forest - replys like "every tree is important to us" are common. Still seems harsh when you just want a couple of wee craggy ones. |
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26-Nov-2004
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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or you could just do the....illegal thing.
Coastal pine forests are the easiest as you can walk along the beach, and hey presto, just dont get caught! I managed to aquire a lovely scots pine and a rowan tree. Unfortunatly the pine only survived a few months since i got back, but the rowan has plenty of buds and is adjusting well to the english weather. even though the scots get colder. it got down to -13 celcius the other night! I also got what i think is a spruce from a roadside verge. It is coping well, i'm going to sort some pictures out for the spring.
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26-Nov-2004
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So you stole two trees from nature, killing one which no one can enjoy now? Do you realize the impact actions such as these would have on the enviroment if everyone practiced collection like this? Not to mention the bad name bonsaist world wide would aquire? Will |
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26-Nov-2004
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Required reading, Alasdair: http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthread.php?t=4455 Crow
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26-Nov-2004
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Alasdair,
You are 17 years old---that means you have time to change your perception about the "illegal thing", your habits are not yet set in stone. Starting out by reading the link Carl posted above is a great idea. It will let you know that there is zero tolerance here (and I would venture to guess in most every bonsai forum/club/group/organization) for illegally procuring your bonsai material. Second of all, think of the total number of bonsai practitioners in the world. There are quite a few---and think of how many trees they will acquire throughout their lifetimes. What kind of an impact would it have on our forests (and our neighbors yards) if we got all of our trees illegally? There is always a legal way to go about it. It may take a little legwork on your part to find out who owns the land that you are interested in and to ask their permission, but the rewards are many. First, you can hold your head up with 100% integrity. Second, you don't have to hide like a theif in the night. Third, you will likely be granted permission from the land owners again if ever you wanted to harvest another tree from their property. And finally, karma won't up and bite you in the arse. Something to think about, Jennifer
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26-Nov-2004
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ok.
I have this nasty habbit of doing things without thinking of the consequences. Now that these have been pointed out to me i can understand fully where you guys n gals are coming from. I see the potential problems of just lifting trees, but now i also see the potential benefits of asking first. And just so as you all know, i wasn't 'bragging' in any way, just making a suggestion. And now i see it was a bad suggestion i will re-think my practices and stop doing what i di. My argument for it at the time was: looking at a pine forest, the trees are no closer than 6 feet from each other when fully grown, yet you may have a dozen baby pines within this 6 feet gap. 50 years ago these fully grown trees would have been babies, crammed together. what happened to it's dozen ciblings that were all in the same space? I just assumed that they had died away as the strongest tree grew on and took all the light and nutrients. Therfore i saw no problem in taking one of these trees that would die anyway, and posibly giving it a chance. now i do see the problem. And for the record, i'm not sure wether it has died. under the bark is still green, but i am colour blind so cannot tell how the foliage is, it's just looking a bit limp. I was going to wait until the spring to see what happens. I feel like i should appologise to everyone concerned and asure them that it will never happen again, not now that i know the consequences. i don't know what i would do with my time if i got banned from this forum.
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