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11-Jun-2005
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Square Tree - Round Pot!
 
Join Date: May-2004
Location: Walsall U.K.
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ATM Maple Clump
Hello Walter,
It is a little quiet at the moment in the ATM, so to kick things off, here are a couple of my Trees for your consideration and comments. (No favours now - just be brutal if needbe !)  This first submission is a Maple clump, I purchased about 2 years ago. The first view is last Winter, in the pot it came in. The other, is after a re-pot and is how it looks at the moment. Not particularly challenging I feel in terms of what can be done, but I would appreciate your thoughts on any improvements. It stands around 500mm (20 inches) from the pot rim. Best Regards, Ian. Last edited by Ian_Homer : 11-Jun-2005 at 03:16 PM. |
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14-Jun-2005
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bonsai is not my hobby
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Ian,
The group looks nice but a bit youngish, immature. The repotting into the shallow pot was a great improvement.The placement on a hill in this shallow pot is not so good, it should be flat. But I undnerstand that you probably did not want to reduce the root pad too much. I like the little grass on the right. It gives the feeling of a landscape. The group is very young and it seems that it will need many years to look impressive. The trunks are of about the same width, which is because they are probably of the same age. You could develop the three strongest ones by letting some branches grow freely. After the trees have the right caliper the sacrifice branches ae cut off. Thus in a few years you could have a clearly thickest main trunk and two less thick second and third trunks. This wold improve the group clearly. After a few years the trunks will have grown together at the base and form a nice common nebari. But what if you want some clear effect right now? Well, you could do even more of what you did already. Take a much longer and more shallow pot, plant the group flat into the container. The reslut will be the feeling of a wide field and the group will appear more mature and like a natural grove.
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14-Jun-2005
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bonsai is not my hobby
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Can this be improved even further? Yes, by editing the outline of the common crown the group looks even more mature and interesting enough more like a natural grove. Interesting in so far as one takes away the NATURAL small branches and leaves that stick out of the canopy. As an effect the group gives a good natural feeling.
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14-Jun-2005
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bonsai is not my hobby
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Nice so far, but maybe it could be even more dramatic, more like a group of trees out in nature.
Well, a slab could do the job. How about this?
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14-Jun-2005
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Dances With Trees
Join Date: Jul-2004
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I like the slab quite a bit!
- bob
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14-Jun-2005
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Attila Soos
Join Date: Jan-2002
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Walter,
A few more transformations and you will make it look like a very old, ancient grove. So, you better stop right there.  Beautiful transformation. |
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15-Jun-2005
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Square Tree - Round Pot!
Join Date: May-2004
Location: Walsall U.K.
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The way forward.
Walter,
Not one, not two, but three options. Thank you so much for your variations. All show improvements in varying degrees with the ultimate goal on the slab, just looking fantastic with this material. You are quite right about the "hill", since I removed as much root structure as I thought safe in the re-pot this Spring. I have also left them to run a little free in an attempt to build up some bulk in the trunks. This was trimmed back just before the photo was taken. As you point out, I like the idea of selectively encouraging more growth on the main trees and will work on that one over say 2 seasons, with the ultimate goal of getting to your final virtual on the slab. The other advantage of this, is that I will probably not need to remove much more from the roots, merely trying to "flatten" out the pad a little more. This will be the aim on my inspection next Spring. Your input has given me a "clear" direction to take with this tree. I certainly have a suitable slab in my collection, so when the time comes, I will post updates on the progress. How valuable a tool this kind of "in order" progression advice will be, not only for me - but all the other members of bT. Sincere thanks and best regards, Ian. |
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15-Jun-2005
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Air Assault All The Way.
 
Join Date: Mar-2004
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I personally prefer the version in 23654 (pot) over the slab, but both are very nice. The material does appear a bit young, but I'm sure that a little time will greatly improve the visual impact. The off-set in the pot is very appropriate and if it were mine, I'd proceed with that version.
Very nice Ian and Walter, John
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15-Jun-2005
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I stand and stare a lot
 
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Walter
May I just say that the way you explain the thought process that leads you to the recommended improvements is most helpful to me (and no doubt many others reading these threads). You clearly lay out the reasoning for all to see and draw the appropriate conclusions. Advise given like this (and for free) is priceless. I am glad you decided to stay around (and thanks to Ian to persuade you to give this another go). Regards Mike
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