Thread CLOSED: The AoB NORTH AMERICA vs. EUROPE PHOTO CONTEST

8-Mar-2007

#11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Attila

If this is the wrong section, then the moderators should let Pau Stokes know that he posted this in the wrong place, and move the thread.

As far as advertising goes, this is a non-issue: if this forum doesn't allow members of other forums to announce upcoming events on other forums, that should be stated, and the thread should be deleted. Rules are rules, and Matt is the one who decides that.

If, on the other hand, it is allowed, then members should be encouraged to spread the information (and I remember reading here in the past that BonsaiTalk encourages information sharing between all members).

If the latter case is the right one, then Paul was just following the rules.

At the AoB forum, we encourage members of all forums to come and post ALL events that may be of interest to those who love bonsai. I think that's the right thing to do. But it is not for me to decide what is permitted or not on this forum. Matt is doing a good job in this are.

Again, if this was in the wrong section, it should be moved.

Information about bonsai events is of value to the bonsai community. It shouldn't be considered as "advertising", unless it's a purely commercial enterprise.

Mike

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8-Mar-2007

#12

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Originally Posted by mike_p

Information about bonsai events is of value to the bonsai community. It shouldn't be considered as "advertising", unless it's a purely commercial enterprise.

Mike

That's what I thought. As you all know, organizing a contest takes a lot of time, effort, headache, and, as we all can see, organizers often get shot at.

But at the end, when all gets done, we are left with a gallery of fabulous bonsai pictures, and sometimes with new frienships around the world. And that seems to make it all worthwhile.

(I also understand that some people are not interested neither in galleries, nor in friendships. For them, this is a waste of time.)

Last edited by Attila : 8-Mar-2007 at 02:36 PM.

8-Mar-2007	#13
carmi bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman Join Date: Feb-2002 Location: Israel Ganei-Tikva Country: ISRAEL Posts: 735	Hi Attila, I do believe that the words VS are strange to the spirit of bonsai art. I live not so far from Europe and involved in the bonsai world, but I did not notice so many contest in bonsai art in Europe. In my opinion Bonsai Art is not a team work and not comparable to any team match. As a youth I did play a lot of soccer (and they say that I had played very good) until I had wounded my leg in one of this "VS" 's just a more serious one. __________________ Shalom (Peace), Moshe. Colors are an optic illusion of light – As viewers for the bonsai creation. M.S.C. Last edited by carmi : 8-Mar-2007 at 02:41 PM.

8-Mar-2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Attila

If this is the wrong section, then the moderators should let Paul Stokes know that he posted this in the wrong place, and move the thread.
As far as advertising goes, this is a non-issue:

As I said in my post: But then that is only my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.
There is a difference between what "are the rules" and what is my "opinion"
I live with the first and form the last based on what I personally think something is.
No one has to agree with an opinion. Mine anyway ;o)
BTW I did check and it was the same contest that AOB approached ABS on cosponsoring. It was discussed amoung the board members and a vote was taken.
I would imagine AOB has been notified of the outcome by now. If not then let me know and I will see what happened to that notification

8-Mar-2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carmi

In my opinion Bonsai Art is not a team work and not comparable to any team match.

I agree with you, that bonsai is very different from anything involving team competition.

But are we not allowed to play once in a while? Do we always have to take bonsai so seriously that we cannot have some lighthearted fun?

I hope not. This is what a bonsai competition should be about: a social event, where people come together to share their passion. Of course, there are many ways to do this, but this is just one of them.

8-Mar-2007	#16
carmi bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman Join Date: Feb-2002 Location: Israel Ganei-Tikva Country: ISRAEL Posts: 735	Are we doing it just for fun? This kind of matches tends to become much more serious… You can always do an open individual world contest and then make the statistics __________________ Shalom (Peace), Moshe. Colors are an optic illusion of light – As viewers for the bonsai creation. M.S.C. Last edited by carmi : 8-Mar-2007 at 02:57 PM.

8-Mar-2007

#17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carmi

Are we doing it just for fun? This kind of matches tends to become much more serious…

I know, that's always a risk.

Some people get too carried away. But, in general, bonsai folks, expecially the advanced ones, tend to be nice and easy going. People who are able to create outstanding bonsai are not too eager to prove anything. They have already done it many times, and now they are ready to share their wisdom.

So, hopefully we are mature enough not to make this into more than what it is.

8-Mar-2007	#18
carmi bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman Join Date: Feb-2002 Location: Israel Ganei-Tikva Country: ISRAEL Posts: 735	Attila, I do respect you personally very much, but I am afraid I can "smell" somebody else long fingers … __________________ Shalom (Peace), Moshe. Colors are an optic illusion of light – As viewers for the bonsai creation. M.S.C.

8-Mar-2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carmi

Are we doing it just for fun? This kind of matches tends to become much more serious…

Carmi, it is fun, and it's educational. You will never make good bonsai if you live in a "vacuum".

I enjoy these contests because if forces me to do better than I might otherwise do. Just this morning I was looking over my bonsai and considering which ones I might enter in the AOB contest. I picked one that I'm sure I'll be photograohing pretty soon. I've already done some major trimming and wiring on it a couple of months ago. Now the new growth is sprouting giving it a fresh "spring" appearance. I put new moss on it, and it's close to camera ready. And. as club exhibit season is near, bonsai that I make camera ready are also show ready.

And I must confess that it gives me a good feeling to make it into a contest, whether it be win, place, show, or also ran.

Mike

8-Mar-2007	#20
carmi bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman Join Date: Feb-2002 Location: Israel Ganei-Tikva Country: ISRAEL Posts: 735	Hi Mike, I am afraid that with my poor English I didn't expressed clearly my idea. I do think that contests are very important and a lot of fun but not as a team match. __________________ Shalom (Peace), Moshe. Colors are an optic illusion of light – As viewers for the bonsai creation. M.S.C.

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