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Old 26-Oct-2003   #1
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Humidity

hello,
as i keep my bonsais indoor i try to keep them lighty and humidied to grow good
hm i bought electronical humidity meter and it shows me temp also.
temp is 22,5degC and humidity is 60-70%Rh when my fontan is on and 50%Rh when its turned off.
the light is 36W and 1200mm long oceanic Light for aquariums and plants also. it gives 150W power of normal bulb.
is it good enough conditions to grow my bonsais?

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Old 26-Oct-2003   #2
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Old 26-Oct-2003   #3
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Every little bit helps. Your trees will let you know.

Just out of curiosity. What is the tree in the foreground of photo two? It looks like a juniper indoor?
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Old 26-Oct-2003   #4
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well in fact i dont know what kind of tree it is, i think pine or something like this, well i can't keep it outside because its -6degC at night and morning so it will be frozen.

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Old 26-Oct-2003   #5
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I'm completely unfamiliar with your environment, however here in Zone 4-5 keeping a pine or Juniper indoors would not only deny it the necessary dormant period it would also confuse the tree, bouncing in and out of dormancy. I know it's dangerous ot get a tree cold, then warm (the sap starts flowing) then back to cold.

My outdoor trees (pines includes) spend the winter in an unheated garage with extremely cold temps and they do just fine.

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Old 26-Oct-2003   #6
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Hi wmcorcor

I completly don't know what Zone i live in what i can tell You is that i live in Poland, Europe. in winter its like -5 to -15degC i live in apartment on second floor. hmm so what i should do to keep that tree in cold conditions but not under minus temperatures?

what if i water it and then on the other night it will be minus 5degC? it will be frozen i think. so i decided to put i at home and in early spring when the temperatures will get gotter than 0degC i put it outdoor for 3,4weeks. thats what i came up.

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Old 26-Oct-2003   #7
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that's a tough one. I think you have few options given your temperatures and circumstance. I can't tell you it's safe to keep it outside and not knowing it's exact species I can't say if it will live or die indoors for winter.

Most of my trees did survive a brutal winter last year with temps in the 10 to -10 Farenheit...but I have larger trees and a protected garage location.

I use an unheated garage for wintering. Some people use a cold-frame, some people simply put the tree in the ground for winter (pot and all) with mulch. If you have no access to anything like that being on the 2nd floor then I'd say you'll have to experiment with the outdoor trees. I have heard of people using refridgeration but I have no experience with that.

I worked with only indoor trees until I had a wintering location. Maybe some other apartment dwellers can jump in here and help or perhaps you can start a thread asking that specific question.

I wasn't trying to confuse your or worry you about your tree but seeing what is typically an outdoor tree being kept inside I was worried you didn't know better...and believe me this is the voice of experience. I've lost several outdoor trees by keeping them inside before I knew better and I lost a few more because they didn't get that dormancy they needed.

I hope this helps in some way
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well in fact i dont know what kind of tree it is, i think pine or something like this, well i can't keep it outside because its -6degC at night and morning so it will be frozen.
It looks to me to be an Alberta Spruce indoors. That will be the canary in your coalmine if you run into problems with humidity and light.

If it is in fact a spruce, it would laugh at -6 degrees C. At -6F, it might want to put on a light sweater. Those suckers are rated to zone 2 (-50F), in the ground, of course. Hence the sweater.



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Matt - Definitely what you said.

Tunek - it's no a problem for that tree to become completely frozen. I leave all trees ouside all winter here.

Concerning "zones' - take a look:

usda zones in europe

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You are zone 5, brrrrrr.....

I live almost exactly 1200km (750miles) west of you - I get zone 8. You might consider moving in May next year when Poland becomes a full member state in the European Union :-)

Another 200km (125miles) west and you are in England and Zone 9! Sadly no amount of west from here will get you zone 10...unless somebody else knows better...

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