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Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb-2005
Location: Carlsbad, California..coastal desert
Country: United States
USDA Zone: 11
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Greenhouse and rain water
We just put up a new greenhouse (pictures to follow later) and I was reading that to maintain a more constant temperature, you could use bottles filled with water, lining the inside of the wall that the sun shines onto. During the day, the clear water bottles will slowly store the heat energy from the sun, and at night will slowly dissipate this energy, keeping the greenhouse warm. In the summer, the bottles will cool off during the night, and keep the greenhouse cooler in the morning. (My greenhouse will be shaded from noon to sunset)
I have also been catching rainwater in tubs, which eventually gets sort of nasty as it sits, even covered. So I started filling the empty water bottles (minus the labels) with the clear rainwater and using them to line the greenhouse wall. That way, I can start using them over the summer when the barrel water gets scary. Does anyone have any suggestions or considerations about trying this? Joanie
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Hi Joanie,
My favorite local bonsai nursery does this on a grand scale...they use the large water bubbler jugs with the tops off. They told me once to increase humidity, they never mentioned anything about temp...but maybe they gave me the short sweet answer. They can get pretty nasty though, as theirs got sometimes...I wonder if a couple drops of bleach would keep the bacteria at bay? Good luck and lets see those pics, Moe Last edited by md4958 : 7-Apr-2006 at 04:03 PM. Reason: forgot a word |
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Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb-2005
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These bottles are closed tightly, they are regular drinking water bottles. I considered boiling the water first to get rid of bacteria. A drop of bleach would be all right, too. We had a discussion once about chlorine and apparently it doesn't hurt the plants in small doses. Sitting in the sun, the bottles might well develop algae and stuff.
Hmmmm..... good point, Moe. Thank you. Joanie
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Hi Jonie,
Another option is useing large plastic drums or garbage cans full of water to support your benches. Bob O |
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That's a thought, Bob! I'll look into that....
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bonsaiTALK Adept
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Actually, any material that holds heat will work. Sand, dirt, gravel, etc. Water has a slightly higher heat transfer rate, but not much different as far as heat capacity. Therefore, it would transfer the heat faster, but the same amount of heat as other materials. Water might be cheaper because you are getting it free.
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And I need to store the water anyway, since our summers do not rain enough to refill the barrels. I just went out and felt them and they are definitely warmer than the surrounding area. Interesting!! Joanie
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Join Date: Apr-2004
Location: Volcano
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I don't know how large the greenhouse is but any container painted black will do a better job of solar gain. 55 gal drums are what I've used before. Also if the containers are black there will be less of an algae problem.
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Join Date: Feb-2005
Location: Carlsbad, California..coastal desert
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That's a great idea, Bruce! I can spray paint the bottles black.
The greenhouse is only 6' x 6' x 6'. I'll put up pictures when my daughter gets back with the camera. Painted black.... yeah.... makes sense. Joanie
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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As small as it is, I think you'll find the space you will sacrifice to not be worth the bother. I think your greenhouse will heat up quickly as soon as the sun hits it, and the heat dissipation in the early evening will be modest. I have a small 8.5x8.5 Rion greenhouse for overwintering my tropicals for the last few years and considered this approach, but only half heartedly.
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