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Old 10-May-2006   #1
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Need help with serissa and dwarf cherry...

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i am totally new at bonsai and i just received 2 tree a serissa and a dwarf cherry. I am wondering if anyone got some tips on how to wire the serissa... is there a season for wiring? and the dwarf cherry looks pretty nice and i am not sure how to proceed
any tips would be nice...
picture of those tree can be found here http://konoha.mine.nu/plants.htm at the bottom of the page...
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Those trees are young, let them grow before you start styling them. It would be better for you to put those trees in a bigger pot, like 1 gallon or bigger and grow the trees out, because right now you don't have much to style.

If you want to start wiring a styling a tree, go get a cheap juniper from a garden center and play with that. They will be affordable and because of the nature of juniper, the wood is easy to bend and will have a lot of foliage to work with.
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tell us more about those LED growlights on your page...
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Yea, i planned to put the serissa in a bigger pot too. Should i keep cutting it back to get a broom style alike? i really dont know what style i can get out of a serissa, havent really seen any picture with nice style of serissa.
Should i put the dwarf cherry in a bigger pot also? i got it like that when i bought it, i think it is a 3 years old tree at least.

As for the LED growlights i got the idea from these site:
http://arabidopsisthaliana.com/lightboxes/
http://www.experimentalscene.com/content.php?article.5
http://www.ledgrowlights.com/index.htm
http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/plantled/default.asp

My LED are all on 5000mcd, thre red leds are from 640-645nm and the blue leds are from 465-470nm. I have just finished solder those LEDs 2 days ago and havent really got time to test it yet because of school work. At the lab i managed to get it working at least. I havent have it on for very long time yet but i feel that touching those LEDs are pretty hot.
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This thread was moved from "Show & Tell" to the "FAQ" area, which is a better place for questions.



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Avin, the LED idea is very interesting to me.
I was in school for computer engineering until about 5 years ago. ended when I took a job in IT -- heheh, it was fun, but I just didn't have the passion for electrical engineering like I do for IT. anyway...

I'm going to read up more on those LED grow lights. I am actually considering a light setup along with a warming pad for seeding, but man, those LED kits are pretty pricey in comparison to standard flourescent lighting.

I will have to read more, but in general, it looks like you can "tune" for the optimized wavelengths for plants? (or that they're already optimized in the kits on those sites) very interesting, indeed.
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those that they sell are already optimized, i have bought my own LEDs on ebay to try to make one myself... i paid around 38$ for 300 LEDs included the shippment. I have only used 128 LEDs so far.
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I still dont know how to cut back my serissa
have been studied it for some time now but cant get any vision on how far that i should cut it back etc etc... can anyone help? some tips or so...
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Avin, for some reason I can't get your images easily... are they really large? Anyway, just guessing here, but generally you want to trim serissas by cutting back the new growth to stimulate growth closer to the trunk, so for instance trim the end of each branch back by four or five leaf nodes. Remove any shoots that are growing straight up or straight down. Always remove any new shoots growing out of the soil, or on the trunk under the soil line. If you want to thicken the trunk down low, let lower growth stay for a while, as long as it is actually attached to the trunk and not just coming out of a nearby root.

Look at your tree and study how the branches grow. When you trim something, pay attention to the leaf set that is still on the tree. The new growth will come out of that area, so you can sort of think ahead about where you want the new growth to go. Serissas grow in an alternating way... one set of leaves will go up and down, the next set will grow side to side, the next set up and down.... so if you trim it down to a set of leaves that grow up and down, you will get new shoots that grow up and down. If you trim it back to a set of leaves that grow left and right, you will get new growth that goes left and right. By thinking about which way the new shoots will grow, you will help to form your tree.

Remember, too, that if you let a branch grow longer it will get thicker and stronger. If you trim a branch shorter, it will slow down the growth of that branch. If you want to make your lower branches thicker, you must let the grow the most and keep the top branches trimmed.

Does that help?? Remember, I'm a beginner too, and you should always get as much advice as you can before doing anything to your bonsai that could change it much.

Also remember to keep your tools clean and sharp. Don't go from tree to tree without cleaning your tools.

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Avin, for some reason I can't get your images easily... are they really large? Anyway, just guessing here, but generally you want to trim serissas by cutting back the new growth to stimulate growth closer to the trunk, so for instance trim the end of each branch back by four or five leaf nodes. Remove any shoots that are growing straight up or straight down. Always remove any new shoots growing out of the soil, or on the trunk under the soil line. If you want to thicken the trunk down low, let lower growth stay for a while, as long as it is actually attached to the trunk and not just coming out of a nearby root.

Look at your tree and study how the branches grow. When you trim something, pay attention to the leaf set that is still on the tree. The new growth will come out of that area, so you can sort of think ahead about where you want the new growth to go. Serissas grow in an alternating way... one set of leaves will go up and down, the next set will grow side to side, the next set up and down.... so if you trim it down to a set of leaves that grow up and down, you will get new shoots that grow up and down. If you trim it back to a set of leaves that grow left and right, you will get new growth that goes left and right. By thinking about which way the new shoots will grow, you will help to form your tree.

Remember, too, that if you let a branch grow longer it will get thicker and stronger. If you trim a branch shorter, it will slow down the growth of that branch. If you want to make your lower branches thicker, you must let the grow the most and keep the top branches trimmed.

Does that help?? Remember, I'm a beginner too, and you should always get as much advice as you can before doing anything to your bonsai that could change it much.

Also remember to keep your tools clean and sharp. Don't go from tree to tree without cleaning your tools.

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Ya, that helped alittle... i made a pic, is it something like this that i should do. i mean the length that i cut cause it is pretty long...
and i uploaded the picture to another server that should be faster new link is:
http://www.e.kth.se/~sheng/plants.htm
http://www.e.kth.se/~sheng/serissa.htm
on the serissa i got the new pic of it in new pot and a video clip of it rotating if that is intressting hehehe
thx for the help everyone
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