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Old 10-Dec-2006   #21
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Members share their information here in several ways. The most typical is by starting a thread, or responding to a thread. Another way is to write an article, using the format that gives more freedom of space and the ability to post pictures in a formatted way. A third way is to post a link to their own website, or a page where they have put up an article. Members may also share information using a private message, or in chat.

I have received some excellent information through private messaging, which I never felt the need to put on the forum in general, nor did the information provider. The provider of the information did so because they wished to share with me, and sometimes an extended question and answer back-and-forth ensued. The sharing of information is a gift of the provider; it is a favor, done to help. If the person chooses only to share in a private message, they have their reasons, and I respect that. If they wanted to put it up publicly, they would have done so. And I am grateful for the time and effort that they took to help.

Sharing information in chat is an essential part of the chat experience. Bonds develop between the members, and they feel comfortable working with each other. Just like a small club meeting... not every demo or workshop at a club meeting has to be featured in a webpage for the rest of the world to use. Certainly it is to be wished that good information will eventually be put on the public area, especially information that might have a bearing on an already public discussion. But those people who wish to share information, have every right to share it with whomever they wish, in any form they wish. It is up to the receiver of the information to decide what to do with it.

I would encourage anyone with a willingness to share, and with information that they feel is useful, to bring it to the public forum area. However, they are doing us all a favor by sharing it, and it is their right to share it or not. Think of the chat room as being like private lessons, or as a small study group. All are invited, but only those who are able to attend will actually get the benefit.

Wouldn't it be nice if every demo, every workshop, every group or private lesson, every conversation between teacher and student were available to us all? Sure! That would be great! But it isn't going to happen, unfortunately. So we take what we can get, and keep searching for more.

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Old 11-Dec-2006   #22
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I also kind of find it disingenuous to answer a post in the forum with the following or any of its equivalents: " Oh--Oh--I know but I'm not going to tell anyone." Hey people, if you know an answer to a question put up the answer, if you don't want to do that or share the info then don't respond. But this I'm smarter than you attitude is condescending.


I'm always disappointing when someone mentions that they have an opinion, or pictures, or anything else, but aren't going to post it unless they're asked (*cough* begged *cough*) to post it.
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Old 11-Dec-2006   #23
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Wow----did you let your assumptions run wild. I am not blaming the chat room or anyone in the chat room, in fact I went out of my way to make that point. Then you accuse me of wanting to destroy the chat room? Wow again, nowhere have I said that, suggested that, implied that, wished that, thought that, or even written on an out-house wall words to that affect. Also I am not complaining I am pointing out a fault with the system, the reasons for this are plain, enumerated in more than one location and irrefutable in their logic. From this point on you seem to want to be insulting. Does that mean you have run out of anything substantive to offer to the debate?


This whole exchange reminds me of a guy who complained about the low quality of articles at Bonsai Today. Then many said that he should just start writing articles for the magazine and shut up. I guess the same advice might work here also. Karma, gotta love it...
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This whole exchange reminds me of a guy who complained about the low quality of articles at Bonsai Today. Then many said that he should just start writing articles for the magazine and shut up. I guess the same advice might work here also. Karma, gotta love it...
Sorry Al - I guess you didn't read my disclaimer at the 'start' of the thread: "In the interests of keeping this thread on track, please report any posts in this thread that mention Pyracantha, Air-Layering and/or Bonsai." You mentioned an item which has been deemed to be off-topic here - I'm currently deciding whether or not to delete your post for off-topicness.

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Members share their information here in several ways. The most typical is by starting a thread, or responding to a thread. Another way is to write an article, using the format that gives more freedom of space and the ability to post pictures in a formatted way. A third way is to post a link to their own website, or a page where they have put up an article. Members may also share information using a private message, or in chat.

I have received some excellent information through private messaging, which I never felt the need to put on the forum in general, nor did the information provider. The provider of the information did so because they wished to share with me, and sometimes an extended question and answer back-and-forth ensued. The sharing of information is a gift of the provider; it is a favor, done to help. If the person chooses only to share in a private message, they have their reasons, and I respect that. If they wanted to put it up publicly, they would have done so. And I am grateful for the time and effort that they took to help.

Sharing information in chat is an essential part of the chat experience. Bonds develop between the members, and they feel comfortable working with each other. Just like a small club meeting... not every demo or workshop at a club meeting has to be featured in a webpage for the rest of the world to use. Certainly it is to be wished that good information will eventually be put on the public area, especially information that might have a bearing on an already public discussion. But those people who wish to share information, have every right to share it with whomever they wish, in any form they wish. It is up to the receiver of the information to decide what to do with it.

I would encourage anyone with a willingness to share, and with information that they feel is useful, to bring it to the public forum area. However, they are doing us all a favor by sharing it, and it is their right to share it or not. Think of the chat room as being like private lessons, or as a small study group. All are invited, but only those who are able to attend will actually get the benefit.

Wouldn't it be nice if every demo, every workshop, every group or private lesson, every conversation between teacher and student were available to us all? Sure! That would be great! But it isn't going to happen, unfortunately. So we take what we can get, and keep searching for more.

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Very good point Joanie!!!!
I for one love the one on one that I have with each person who comes to chat.
I get the added benefit of learning from them as well!
When you come into chat I ask questions, if your profile has a place listed I better understand your micro-climate. I also try to make each person feel at home in chat with me and others by sharing our first names our ages years in bonsai etc....We are a Family here at BT....
To me Bonsai is ageless and borderless and I enjoy every minute that I spend in chat.....
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Old 11-Dec-2006   #26
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...no written record of the conversation, no record of the information shared, no interchange of the discussion that took place....

I Dont think this is 100 percent accurate. I seem to remember some time in the past where Treebay had a link to the chat dialogue. I think if something of great importance was done there a record could be published.
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I Dont think this is 100 percent accurate. I seem to remember some time in the past where Treebay had a link to the chat dialogue. I think if something of great importance was done there a record could be published.




There is a save tab right next to the send tab, so yeah chat records are possible. I think most of us just right click, choose the selected text, copy, paste into word etc.. . And of course pics are sent directly to you(up to 200kb) so saving them is also simple.


I to can remember when they had the chat meeting/workshop, seems like Dugz trident projects where the main topic.
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I find this insistence that there be a permanent archival record of everything of significance that goes on in chat just a little disingenuous. Chat is what it is, a more community-like community where we go to talk about whatever and whomever we wish. And if the ladies in chat want to send me nekkid pictures of themselves, who am I to deny them?

Every conversation of significance doesn't have to have the entire world peering over the shoulder. Personally, if I discuss something in chat and want to reference that in a post, I will do it. But I will probably summarize the conversation.

What I don't need is someone jogging my elbow.
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That's just my point. The only reason to upset about chat is that one wants to control it.
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