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Old 7-Mar-2008   #1
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Interesting Potting Method

Ok so I'm still very new to Bonsai. It's a bit over a year and it's been great. After showing this to my mentor Mr. Rochester "Super Dave" we thought it was a good idea to put it up for discussion here so please take a look at these pictures and just let me know what you think.
What would the advantages and or disadvantages of training trees in this way be?

http://www.geocities.com/bonsaisp/HIDAKA.html

Just for background info, I found these in one of my many online searches and this is out of a bonsai club in São Paulo, Brazil (my hometown). The pictures were taken in Mr. Hidaka's farm who I guess is a well respected bonsai master down there.

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Old 7-Mar-2008   #2
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looks very interesting. im sure there must be some very good reason for this
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It helps to keep a fine and fibrous root system close to the trunk, at the same time allowing another root system in the outer pot. You get good growth and health on top and within the colander, and it's easy to separate when you want to move to a bonsai pot.
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It's a pretty typical method for growing Japanese black pines. There is a ton of discussion on this method here and on other forums. Do a search for "colander and pine" and you should get some results.

The (short and simple) reason the colander is placed in another pot is to allow the roots to grow a bit and help fatten the tree BUT they are kept in check a bit because of the perforations in the colander. It was detailed in the Stone Lantern book on pines and that is where I saw it and adopted it as a viable method for JBP in a shohin size.

Nice photos and trees by the way, thanks for posting. Got more of the photos?

Please post more info on this grower for us. I would one day like to visit Brazil and this is as good a reason as I have seen to make the trip. Bonsai and tourism - I love it!
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After searching bonsai talk as Graydon suggested (and as I should have probably done earlier) I found great info on this technique. I will be starting a bunch of JBPs and trident maples from seed this year and will eventually adopt this colander technique.
I will look for more info about this grower and put it up here. Worst case if you need a portuguese translator just let me know and I'll help you out from here.
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The (short and simple) reason the colander is placed in another pot is to allow the roots to grow a bit and help fatten the tree BUT they are kept in check a bit because of the perforations in the colander. It was detailed in the Stone Lantern book on pines and that is where I saw it and adopted it as a viable method for JBP in a shohin size.

It also is a time saver. Instead of the usual repot timeout in growth, you can simply do as shown. Bonsai kc (chris) knows what I mean.
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I would one day like to visit Brazil and this is as good a reason as I have seen to make the trip. Bonsai and tourism - I love it!
For what it's worth, here are a few other reasons:

I found that Brazil has a fairly nice river called the Amazon. The flora and fauna while not potted, still do manage to be of interest even to a bonsai nut. So much so that I rented a boat and made a 1,200 (or so) mile journey from Manaus to Belem. It took me over a month. Along the river I saw dense rain forests bursting with every size and shape exotic plant imaginable filled with parrots, monkeys, fresh water dolphins, crocodiles and even the occasional school of piranha to name a few. If one ventures into the villages and markets to witness the unimaginable diversity of items, one is quickly and simply overwhelmed. I also found that if one is really adventurous dug out canoes can be taken up smaller rivers for days on end while sleeping in the jungle in hammocks to (hopefully) meet some of the isolated indigenous tribes. A monumental task and expense from permits to vaccinations and from guides to supplies. In other words, SURVIVOR for real and still the experience of a lifetime.

Ditto in regard to the natural beauty of the Pantanal and Iguacu Falls with some 275 plunges.

Carnival and the Parintins Festival aren’t too shabby either if one’s senses aren’t completely overloaded with the incredible costumes, the floats, or the music for the ever present samba itself. Assuming of course that constant partying for days at a time like no other on the planet would be deemed a good “reason” to go. Then there are the people, the history, the cities, and certainly not least, the Caperinias(national drink) and the food! Brazil, bonsai plants or not, is simply fantastic!

Cheers and Boi Boom Ba,

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