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25-Sep-2002
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To Grind Or Not To Grind?
While at the Tulare Fair with the Hanford contingent, I talked to Joe James, the judge for the show. He asked who brought all the suiseki top display. He was told that I had brought down seven stones to show since the turnout for the tree display was only half as big as last year. He liked my stones and asked where I had collected them. I told him that some had been collected and some were bought from other persons that had themslves collected them.
This one stone that I had brought always bothered me. I love the stone and the shape is good, but none the less, I wish it were better. I talked to Joe about this and he proceeded to tell me a story. He told me of some great Japanese sueseki master that had come to America to see the National Arboretum. After looking at the specimen trees, he was asked to review the stones at the Arboretum. I guess the critique was rather harsh to say the least. After a lengthy disscussion it was determined that the rules governing suiseki are not that harsh after all. According to him it is OK to do small cleanup work with a grinder to bring out the beauty of the stone. While it is not OK to actually make a suiseki as in a sculpture, it is OK to change the outline somewhat to improve its asthetic value. This is the stone the way it is now.
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25-Sep-2002
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Greybeard
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What I don't like about the present stone is the rather dull large rounded mass of a mountain top on the right side of the stone. I feel that the two small peaks on the left side are great as is. What I would like to do is grind the valley between the two major peaks a little deeper. I would like to grind down the slope on each side of the main peak. I would like to see a sharper peak that I have now. I could actually grind a small peak at the left slope of the main peak. Something like this.
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25-Sep-2002
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Greybeard
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Side by side for comparison.
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25-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master
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i like it, the second one, if you still consider it suizuki, than it is suzieki enough, i would do it,
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25-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master
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I agree, the second one looks much better. I am not involved with suiseki, nor do I know anything about it's rules. Yet, I would say go for it. I would'nt worry if it is not concidered suiseki after you modify it and you can't show it. You would be happier with it's form and it can be enjoyed at home. Besides you have others that can be shown.
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25-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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I do like what you've done, but I thought I'd do a virt as well, just for fun. I was thinking instead of grinding down on the left side, you could grind down the right side. You'd still have room for an extra peak or two. I also like the idea of a sharper peak, since this looks somewhat like a mountain range, it could be nice to have a single sharp peak.
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25-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Expert
Join Date: Feb-2002
Location: LINCOLN, CA
Country: USA
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I guess I was under the impression that what made suiseki so special was finding one as nature made it. I have heard of grinding off the bottom for better presentation. I don't really know the conventions or "rules" for suiseki - but if you are comfortable "improving on nature" - your virtual is definitely a more attractive stone.
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25-Sep-2002
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Al,
While you're at it, why don't you paint a big stripe down the middle with white-out, and then call it a waterfall stone? Grind it down? You've got to be kidding me!!! Old Mister
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25-Sep-2002
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bonsaiTALK Adept
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Al,
I like your stone the way it is......but I can also see what you mean. I really can't imagine grinding a stone down without having it look like a ground down stone......and I think that would destroy the stone completely. It might be interesting to see if you COULD grind it, and give it a "natural" appearing surface.....and if it were natural apprearing, who would know the difference. I just don't think it can be done. Robert in Sta.Cruz |
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26-Sep-2002
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I'm with the leave it as is group on this one. If you want to experiment and see what happens, go for it. I think it looks great, though, the way it is...very natural. Instead of looking like a "young" chain of mountains, with sharp peaks and valleys, it looks like an "old" chain of mountains, ground down with time and age. Not the Alps, maybe, but the Adirondacks (sp) or Appaalcians or large portions of the cascades: majestic in their own right. The older I get, the more I appreciate the rounded, worn down, dogged out look! I would be proud to have that stone in my collection.
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