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16-Sep-2003	#11
muddslinger Playin' in the Mudd Join Date: Aug-2003 Location: Machiasport, ME Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 219	Great pots Jay! I love the mixed clay bodies. Those ovals are tricky, eh? Straight vertical walls seem to take the abuse of ovaling best. I should have some to share soon. Keep up the good work! Kevin

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16-Sep-2003	#12
Bart Thomas(deceased) Perpetual Novice Join Date: Jun-2003 Location: Bridgewater, NJ Country: United States USDA Zone: 6 AHS Heat Zone: 5 Posts: 1,367	Nice work, Jay. Things are getting better all the time. Regards, Bart

16-Sep-2003	#13
Fletch bonsaiTALK Expert Join Date: Apr-2003 Location: Calgary, AB Country: Canada USDA Zone: 3a AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 198	Very nice pots Jay. A trick I have used to get around the deformation problem with making an oval pot is after I throw it and alter the bottom of the pot I flip it and let it rest on a foam rubber form (basically a slump mold) to dry and gravity helps keep the walls and base aligned while the foam form compresses enough as the pot dries that it avoids cracking. This, of course, only works if you can routinely throw pots to match the mold, not always the easiest thing to do, eh? __________________ Advice worth every penny you paid for it. Regards Fletch Last edited by Fletch : 16-Sep-2003 at 08:25 PM.

16-Sep-2003	#14
DavidN bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2002 Location: Melbourne Country: Australia USDA Zone: 9-10 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 3,348	The oval lip glazed is excellent. __________________ Bonsai Northwest Inc, Melbourne, Australia Bonsai Flora Nursery in Yarraville, Melbourne

16-Sep-2003	#15
Jay YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME Join Date: Sep-2001 Location: Jeffersonville Vt Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 2,154	Kevin, the multi clay base was a challenge. First for me I had to make it the first time, the more you work the clay, as you know, the more it becomes one claybody. I have a few more awaiting second firing that are not as interesting. Next, until you trim you really do not know what you got. Speaking of trimming it wasn't easy, the different bodies react to the tools differently. David, thanks that pot is interesting, if you notice there is a two tone effect that I love that was not planned in the lower section of the pot. The Gas kiln that was used usually gives the entire pot a deep color, the light tan(ish) color was from some (moist)air getting in and doing what would be more of an electric kiln thing. Sorry that I'm not giving you the technical stuff, perhaps Kevin or one of the more established potters can fill you in. Fletch, thanks for the thought on the ovals. I'm not sure yet I can make them enough alike that I can do what you suggest, but it is a good solution to the issue. Bart, I am planning on letting some, OK a lot, go. I will be selling them at the meeting in December.... also I will make some available to BonsaiTalk people if interested. But honestly, I may charge more than they are worth...so don't come running to buy them..... Will show more as they are available.........I really do love this Jay __________________ A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49... Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing

16-Sep-2003	#16
dbz12fan Charles Bevan Join Date: Apr-2003 Location: Florida Country: United States USDA Zone: 9B AHS Heat Zone: 9 Posts: 2,250	I made it with an accent plant in mind. I have a dwarf strawberry plant that just keeps reproducing itself over and over agian. I am running out of small pots to put the new growth in, so I have resorted to cutting off the dangling strands that they ground layer themself with. I think this will be the only pot that is in proportion with the tree, since most of them are too large. I must say it is quite hard to make such a small pot. I spent about 15 unsuccesful tries at it. It is not really a pinch pot. I cut out each side of the pot and added them on one by one. We'll just have to see how it turns out. __________________ "Success demands understanding"-Andy Rutledge Charles Bevan Vero Beach, Fl

16-Sep-2003	#17
muddslinger Playin' in the Mudd Join Date: Aug-2003 Location: Machiasport, ME Country: USA USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 219	Jay, I'm pretty sure the tan areas on your pots are caused by oxidization (more oxygen) and the dark areas are caused by reduction (less oxygen). I've never tried to throw mixed or inlayed clays, but you've inspired me. Here's an idea: Instead of using different clay bodies (which could cause difficulty due to varied consistencies); color the light clay with mason stains or oxides. Best, Kevin

17-Sep-2003	#18
Jay YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME Join Date: Sep-2001 Location: Jeffersonville Vt Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 2,154	Kevin, I had not thought of the mason stains, I will have to look into it. What I have thought of is using a slip if another clay body on the leather hard, or even possible the new clay. This would not give the true marble look but would be much easier on the trimming..... You are totally correct the consistencies of the differing clay bodies are tough for me to trim..... J __________________ A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49... Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing

18-Sep-2003	#19
jeremy_norbury bonsaiTALK Master Chief Join Date: Sep-2003 Location: Amstelveen Country: Netherlands USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 2-3 Posts: 1,607	Are you expecting these pots to be frost-proof? Jerry __________________ All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Spike Milligan I told you I was ill. Spike Milligan's Gravestone

18-Sep-2003	#20
Jay YOU CAN NOT RUSH TIME Join Date: Sep-2001 Location: Jeffersonville Vt Country: USA USDA Zone: 4 AHS Heat Zone: 3 Posts: 2,154	Jerry, I do expect these pots to be able to withstand freezing. There is never a guarantee about any pot from any source. They all can break. My pots are fired to cone 8/9. The artist whose studio I work at has pots of similar clay body outside for several years. I grant you his pots are decorative and do not have tree in them. Everyone I have spoken to believes that a pot correctly made fired to a temperature over cone 6 will withstand freezing. I will re-check and appreciate the input of better qualified potters to this question. Jay Question to you all: How can I 'test' my pots for this. Could I fill them with Bonsai Soil, water the soil, wait for an hour our two, then place themin the frig or freezer? Would this be a good test or a bad one? __________________ A Bonsai student living with his trees at N 44.37 W 77.49... Think before you act... then think again... no good comes from rushing Last edited by Jay : 18-Sep-2003 at 08:58 AM.

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