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4-Nov-2001
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Mr. Kristopher
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Pots Without holes
I was at this antique store, and they had some nice planters for bonsai, in fact they had one that was over 300 years old and was for a kengai/han-kengai for $450.00 (with a hole, go figure). but the rest were without a hole, and most were glazed on the inside too. for those experts, or more expert then me, does it affect the plant with glaze on the whole insdie, and is it safe to drill a hole in a planter that does not have a place set for them (in the garden center some had places where holes could be drilled). And if so what kind of drill bit is best, if not, is a grainage laywer for rocks acceptable (this question will go in the beginers section)
Awaiting for the samrt ones.
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4-Nov-2001
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Greybeard
 
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Re: Pots Without holes
A bonsai tray without a hole is referred to as a "suiban". These are sometimes used for chinese penjing scenes, or for displaing suiseki(viewing stones). The reason they do not have holes is because when using them with stones, they are filled with water or sand to represent an ocean or land mass.
They could be drilled, but that would depend on how much you paid for it and whether or not you would commit hari kari if it broke. If you do decide to drill it, get the drill bit shaped like a pointed, elongated triangle. Use water and go slow. If it binds it will crack, or worse break the pot. Good luck Bonsaial
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5-Nov-2001
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Mr. Kristopher
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Re: Pots Without holes
I know all about the sui ban thing, but these pots are 3 and 4 inches tall, mostly suited for like han kengai type plants, not really trays. But I will have to goback nad get a few and try them out, they are cheaper then the actuall pots at plant store and twuice as big, so if it breaks no big loss.
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5-Nov-2001
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Greybeard
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Re: Pots Without holes
Before you go and drill these pots and possibably ruin them you may want to hold the boat. these may be antique ming tree pots. They were used for Ikebana ming trees and some of them may be worth mucho denero. See if there is an antique appraiser in your area that will look at something and just give you a "nod", sometimes they will do this for free. If the nod is good, pay the money and let him tell you what you have. If the nod is bad, drill away my friend. Bonsaial
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12-Nov-2001
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Re: Pots Without holes
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There are people who do grow plants in totally gllazed pots. The problem is air exchange. Even a highly vitrified unglazed stoneware pot has an abilty to allow some air through its walls. Earthenware even has more of this ability, it is a positive thing for plant health. I guess the bottom line is to use a pot that will give you the best possibility to grow healthy bonsai. The fully glazed pot is the hardest to accomplish this.
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16-Mar-2002
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Re: Pots Without holes
Honestly I believe pots are over rated. Dont get me wrong, a improper pot selection will most certinly take away from the art of the tree. However, I use pots that I have found for 3 dollars with no holes. A diamond or masonary drill bit is perfect for going through a completely glazed pot. I would recomend you creating a small piolet hole with a small diamond drill bit or router. Then simply use a larger masons drill bit to make the final hole you want.
There is one disadvantage to this. Often if you need to drill holes in a fully glazed pot and the innerds of the pot are water soluible. Thus once you penetrate the glaze of the pot the actual material of the pot that that is no longer glazed could be reactive to water. I simply put the typical screen and gravel over the holes and like to think that any errosion of the pot will flow out of the pot. Thus far I have found no problem with this and have saved mucho dinero. Good luck! Jeff... |
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