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| View Poll Results: What do you think should be done with the hinoki? | |||
| Keep it as it is... it is going to be a nice tree. |
  
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10 | 43.48% |
| Try to pull off something like that virtual... you need to show off that base. |
  
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2 | 8.70% |
| That base is too good to waste... but do something different than the virtual. |
  
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10 | 43.48% |
| It's not going to be a good bonsai either way... make it a garden shrub. |
  
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1 | 4.35% |
| Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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4-Dec-2006
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Bonsai mai-farli-bene
 
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The wise words of friends and my big Hinoki...
I'm pretty lucky... I have some wise friends here. I take in the things they try and teach me, or what is said in the forum. I tuck them away into the back of my mind, and I mull them over.
The friend I who's thoughts I have been mulling over in regards to my coralliform hinoki cypress, belong to Ashbarns9999. Ash said to me once, something that went along the lines of... "Don't get so enamoured of a front on a tree, that you fail to do whats right for the tree." It's not an exact quote... but I know thats what he was trying to tell me. Ever since I "found" the base on that hinoki I've been a little miffed, a little vexed, and more than a little stumped. It was a lesson to be taken from Grampz... "Don't decide on a front until you know what is going on at the base." Again... not an exact quote... but that was what he was trying to teach me. My initial reaction to "restyle the tree" was a pretty firm no. I like the tree... even as it is. But I would look at it, and from time to time Ash's words would come to my mind. I was sitting out on the porch this morning... I had to move the tree up onto the covered deck because we got dumped with 10 inches of snow. So it was sitting on the deck from a perspective I wouldn't normally have. It just so happens to be from a side that would use that base I found to excellent advantage. And as I contemplated it over my morning coffee, I couldn't help but think over that idea of letting my mind see the tree with this front. My mind started erasing trunks, and moving limbs. I got up and moved some limbs around so I could actually see what I was conjuring in my head, and I was suprised. It was actually acceptable to my mind. So I took a picture of it... and NOT being a virtual person like some of the wizards who play with pictures here, I came up with a grossly rough idea of what would happen if I totally restyled the tree. It would make Rock happy... because the "unsightly jin" would be gone... It would make MikeP happy... because I could honestly see it turning out to be bunjin... It would please Ash... because he REALLY wanted me to think about the tree differently. etc etc etc... So I need some honest thoughts... remember think with a visionary mind. What I am showing just deletes things without really moving more than two limbs I slapped a little wire on. But I desire the input of the group. I do listen you know... (smile) The pics are shown as fronts and then their bases... Hopefully this thing will load in the order I want it to... In which case the current front is first, with the poor view of the base second. Then the virtual restyle, with the view that would roughly represent the base that would be showing. Unfortunately I can't take a pic of the tree all the way to the base with any kind of true perspective. I had to dig so deep to find the base, that the can it is in hides it. I did the poll bit... because I know there are a good many people who may look at this but not choose to say outloud what they think. The poll will allow them to speak their mind in a fashion that allows me to have a good idea of the concensus of the group, without dragging anybody in any further than they like. Oh... and if you pick number 3.... help a girl out and tell me what you think you would do. I can get a good photograph the whole tree from that side if anyone wants me too. Kindest Regards, Victrinia Last edited by Victrinia_Ensor : 4-Dec-2006 at 05:15 PM. |
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
 
Join Date: Sep-2004
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Hi Ms. Vic
I did a virtual of the hinoki. I removed the left lower and the right upper and kept the more slender trunk in the center to make a bunjin. Best Regards Mike
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Bonsai mai-farli-bene
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I'm curious Mike.... do you favor the idea of restyling the tree without changing the front? I just got a virtual from October much in the same vein... literati-ish... also favoring the center trunk... but his kept just enough of the lower left trunk to create a mother/daughter image... which was actuall kind of unique to me.
I sent him the same question I am asking you. Is the idea of that strong base unimportant enough to let the prime view go unused? If not... then you would have to pull a literati out of the right hand trunk (from the pic you worked with).... I guess I should of put that in as a poll option.... restyling the tree... without changing the front.  Thank you for the virt... I think I will try and see if I can catch enough morning sun to take a good pic of the potential front tomorrow.... and see what inspiration that pulls from you. Yours most kindly, Victrinia |
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4-Dec-2006
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Jul-2006
Location: massachusetts
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This thread is getting interesting. I figured I'd throw my virt hat in the ring and see if it gets stepped on lol. Here is my mother daughter styling. I like this virt. However, the daughter trunk is a little thick. I think it is not too thick though that it throws off the style.
Also, the second pic is a more traditional, so to speak, literati. |
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4-Dec-2006
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Greetings,
I like Mike's idea for this tree. Forgive me but, the Mother Daughter doesn't work for me... the split is far to high on the main trunk. I've always thought of 'twin' trunk styles splitting far lower. Am I being to critical? Jay
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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Jay, I believe that you are correct. To be a trunk, it should start at the base. Any growth that starts that far up the main trunk is technically a branch. Mike
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4-Dec-2006
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Ms. Vic. I'll be short and sweet as I am rushing off. It is a tree. It is off to a good start looking like a tree. Make it look like a tree. It is not that far off and only needs a little training. Let it fill grow and fill out, leave the dead wood, and then lighten it up with fine detailed wiring. It can be very convincing. Here is some motivation for you:
http://www.walter-pall.de/spruce1.htm http://www.walter-pall.de/spruce12.htm http://www.walter-pall.de/sylvestris8.htm And wherever on the site his wonderful Scots Pine is, as my eyes are decieving me now... Note, Walter will be back to Portland in May. You should pm me and I will get you in contact with Jason to reserve a spot in a workshop with... yes, this tree. Edit: It does not have to be a trunk or a branch, it can be a sub-trunk. You will learn that in May!
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
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In bunjin, the base is not that important. If the base is very strong, and bunjin is the style you want, the tree may be planted low enough to cover some of the base. I hope I'm making sense. Bunjin can be a trip down a different highway. Mike
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bonsaiTALK Master
Join Date: Jul-2006
Location: massachusetts
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No no....I wasn't suggesting a twin trunk style. I realize that they have to come up simultaneously from the soil, so to speak. I wanted an almost variation of mother daughter, but with that first branch as an achoring branch. I have seen trees pull this off quite well.
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