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1-Nov-2004
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Oh, never mind, Will. We're just talking past each other. Sorry about our failure to connect.
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1-Nov-2004
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Sorry Fred, I saw your plums in the other thread before I saw this one.
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Fred, I don't know if I'm the "John" you are talking about (I'm fairly sure I'm not for some reason), but my opinion is a trunk chop like Matt mentioned. If no movement can be introduced to the trunk, it will take many, MANY, years for it to look like something other that a young tree. Drama is a great addition to ANY bonsai. I can't say I have much experience with plum, but obviously you have this material at a "supple" age. Take advantage of it by getting as much movement in the trunk and branches as is possible. The same area Matt indicated for the chop bears my second vote. Start from there, and give it a good-sized growing container, feed it well, and of course, wait. Good luck with it, John
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1-Nov-2004
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Disregard my last. Now I know you were inferring the great John Naka, and this was a "splinter-thread" off another post, that looks suspiciously like an all-out bitching contest.
My thoughts on the plum remain the same. I'm bouncin', dog. Peace out. John
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Ya got me straight trippin', boo! Chris |
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2-Nov-2004
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Fred, I have decided that I would continue with the plums here.
Maybe a photgraph of the full size trees would better illustrate what yoiu have concieved for these trees. As they are now, they are very formal upright. They would probably make a decent broom style tree of conventional form. If that is what you were trying to do. As yet, you have not actually mentioned what you "are " trying to do with these plants, and it has been rather vague. More like, "the nebari is coming along nicely, and the plants have resonded to my growbox with more vigor than I anticipated". That it in itself may be the biggest enjoyment you have had. Just the fact that you dug them, they lived, and have responded with vigorous growth. Now the styling may be the bigger hurdle. At this point, a decision has to be made as the where you are going to take these plants. 1.Chop back heavy and introduce some movement to the trunks? 2. Prune back heavy and begin ramification on a broom style tree? 3. Keep the formal trunk, but hollow it out in a rotted broom style? 4. Keep it formal and make it look like a pine tree? Remember it makes little difference to me, and probably not many here which idea you decide to go with. Just make a decision. Had you started out this original thread with how you got the stock where it is, followed up with where you would like to see it, and how you plan to get it there, I am sure you would have gotten more posts that had to do with specific ideas on how better to reach your goal with the least amount of time. As for plum trunks, at least Chickasaw plums, I am not familiar with them. But.. I suspect most plums grow with the same basic egg shaped broom canopy on a rather subtley curved trunk. I have included a photo of a Prunus mume that grows in my back yard. It is 27 years old, and the trunk is about 10" across at the base.
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2-Nov-2004
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Fairly stately tree as far as plums go, and pretty tasty fruit to boot. Now in the branches of this tree are where the surprises are. This tree has had it's canes cut back every year for 27 years. It has built some pretty good nodules where the canes get cut back to. The branch structure at these points is to die for. In fact, When ripsgreentree sa this tree for the first time he went to his car and came back with a grafting knife plastic bags and moss to make some air layers. I told him if he puts a knife to my ume he would be dead meat. I plan on taking those trees for myself at the right time. That may be this year!
So in comparison to the original ume I posted, here are some shots of the trees interior. See if you see some similarities.
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2-Nov-2004
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The trunk on this tree has many dead places and I don't een know if it has the strengh to do any air layers. I will do some though just to give this old tree some generations for the future. The upper part seems strong enough so who knows. Some more of the interior.
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4-Nov-2004
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Sorry to take so long to get back on this thread. I was otherwise engaged until yesterday, when I wrote a fairly lengthy reply only to have some malfunction make me lose the site. Aggravating!
Anyway, I wanted to thank many of you, especially Al, for the excellent comments on my tree. I will have to reread the thread two or three more times to really get all the thoughts that were shared. Already, my mind is going down some new tracks. The "design paradigm" that I have had for the 4 trees that are similar to the one in the photo are, I think, what Al has termed "Rotted Trunk". I never heard that term before, but had been calling my model for these trees "Hollow Trunk" which I have seen in the past sited as a recognized style. What I have had in mind were trees that resemble old trees in abandoned orchards; trunks partially eaten away by fungus and insect damage, somewhat reminiscent of conifers near tree-line, but formed by completely different circumstances. Generally, the trunks are slanted and not perpendicular to the ground. I have seen such bonsai before and was very struck by them. Limbs jagged and offering stark contrast to Spring blossoms. I have lots of challenges going this direction. First, I have no experience with wood carving. I don't know whether to first strip some bark so that I work with dead wood only or whether to carve the living trunks. Second. I have little sense of proportion and am not sure how large or tall the trunks should be before I undertake carving. I do feel that nebari are not the issue with the style I have in mind that they are with many styles. In any case, I am quite encouraged by how the nebari seem to be starting to form despite the wretched roots I started with. Glenn (RipsGreenTrees) was quite encouraging when I first dug these trees 18 months ago and, sure enough, they are going in the right direction. I have 4 othe quite different trees that I collected at the same time. One looks like it may be suited to the Literati Style similar to the pictures Al sent in. A coupl of others look to be three trunk candidates. How I treat all eight will certainly be affected by the excellent suggestions that you have all sent in. Thanks, Fred |
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