walnut and maple

krunch

Here are two of my trees
the walnut is 4years old. and you'll have to forgive me about the plastic tray, run out of trays and it had to be repotted.

the maple is one I brought the otherday, just really liked what thay had done and had to have it, i'm having probs getting maples to strick from cuttings.

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Reiner_Goebel

I would chuck the walnut, but keep the tray for future use.

Reiner

wirralbonsai

to krunch well thanks for the pictures the maple looks very promising and if you where to plant ether out in the garden or in a bigger pot for a while and let it thicken up a bit things ould be nice. as regardes to your walnut buy the looks of it you may be loking at turning it into a semi cascade, but this needs a lot of time to work there is evidence of the roots poking out this is someime not a good feature in bonsai as you proberbally know. look into the cascade thing as broad leaf tree's can look very nice in a cascade you just need to keep growing the leader branch lomger and longer giving the trunk a good bend first. i like to wrap the tree ith wet rafere and then electrical tape then the wire as you can do a little bit more bending that way
Scott

P.S. reiner you should think about the thing you say to people if we all took you stance there would be no one on this site as they would all give up. get of your high horse and be constructive not deconstructive.
SCOTT >

Rene_Voortwist

Scott,

Couldn't agree more...

René

TreeBay

I have never seen a walnut in a bonsai exhibition. It is a difficult species to work with. Does anyone else have other photos of walnut as bonsai? It would be interesting to see. The leaves are compound, I know, but large.

I think Reiner's comments were directed more at the species than the artist or the effort in general. I did a search on "Walnut bonsai" on yahoo and came up pretty dry. Who knows, there may be a link to this very page in coming months?

I know from experience the sting, though. I had a Japanese-trained bonsai master approach one of my trees in a workshop (happened to be a Chamecyparis pisifera) and say essentially, "[i:3e2f6ee5d2]Gather 'round folks. This is a species that isn't worth the effort.[/i:3e2f6ee5d2]" Five years later, the tree doesn't know it isn't supposed to be a bonsai and is growing quite happily and has been shown twice.

If the effort gives you satisfaction and increases your knowledge and appreciation of nature, IMHO, it isn't a waste at all.

Regards,

Matt

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Rene_Voortwist

I think this bonsai master had a strange way of stimulating people.. good thing you didn't follow his advice !

regards, René

Reiner_Goebel

scott wrote:

"P.S. reiner you should think about the thing you say to people if we
all took you stance there would be no one on this site as they would all
give up. get of your high horse and be constructive not deconstructive."

Sorry, I guess I could have been more explicit. ;-) My comment was not
directed at the quality of this particular walnut as bonsai, as you seem to assume (at its
present state of development, it's much too early to pass judgment on
that, although it's never too early to improve the roots), but rather,
as Matt correctly surmised, at the choice of material.

Walnut has rather large compound leaves. So, what appears like a bunch
of branches with little leaves in the picture above is really leaves
with leaflets. A trunk with, if I counted correctly, five leaves.
Depending on the species of walnut this is, the leaves (on the natural
tree), might be anywhere from 8" to 20". No doubt they'll reduce when
grown in a pot, but it will be a long time before the trunk will be a
match for even the reduced leaves.

Trees with compound leaves rarely make good subjects for bonsai culture,
the Brazilian rain tree being one exception that comes to mind.

I don't really see the point in encouraging people to grow dead-end
material. Much better to spend the time and energy on something
promising, such as the Japanese maple. So, until someone shows me a
walnut bonsai worth the name, I stand by what I said initially: I would
chuck the walnut. I bet you dollars to walnuts that our friend will
agree with me in five years. Or sooner. ;-)

Also please note that I merely stated what _I would_ do, whereas you thought nothing of suggesting what _I should_ do. I wonder whose horse is higher. ;-)

Reiner

Reiner_Goebel

By sheer coincidence, here is a ten year old walnut I found while reading a competing discussion group.

See:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/...00035613017.jpg

I rest my case. ;-)

Reiner

wirralbonsai

To reiner and matt i have been looking for w walnut bonsai and can whole heartedly aggre with what you are saying but some time ago i seen a sycamore bonsaied into a group planing, and have to say that it looked amaving i will endevor to find the picture but in the case the sycamore has the same problem. i just feel that every one should be encoraged even if there was a mallsai presented lf bonsai is to stay alive we have to give encoragment from the start. we can start ripping them to pieces when they are to be judged.
happy christmas to you
scott