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Old 4-Sep-2002   #1
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Sneak Preview Next Years Olive

Well..we have been hard at work trying to create some material that the bonsai artest will enjoy working with. The following three photographs show what I would concider the average material that will be produced in our fields. The first offerings of this material should come out in the spring.
This material is all cutting grown from a sport from the European olive. We call it little olie.
First photo is befor pruning.
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This second photo is the first side after pruning the suckers, you can see the nebari and roots better.
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This second photo shows the second side of this olive.
It should be noted that this material has been trained to go into a bonsai container. The roots have been pruned often to create a proper spread. It should also be noted that this is average material and that all of the olive material that we grow will have all of the limb structure and choices that you see here.
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Rip - could you give us some dimensions? It looks like the leaf size is about 1/2 inch??

By the way - who is "we" - is this a local nursery in Fresno or where? (For those of us who do not know your and Al's neighbourhood...)
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Rip,

This one troubles me. Particularly in the second picture, it looks like a swollen root mass was cut back nearly to the ground and then allowed to sucker out, forming one straight trunk lacking thematic unity or unity of movement with the nebari region.

Is this just the photograph doing the tree an injustice? Because otherwise, I might rather have seen some movement intoduced into the upper part of the tree.

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OMC: This material is very pliable and movement can be introduced with the proper wire or you can cut back to any higth you want as there are buds at every point.

Leesa, The nebari is about 3.5in and the tree is almost 20 in tall.
The trunk is just at 1 in.
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It would be nice if you could prune some movement into the trunks. It's a shame to cut 75-90% off, as it has already been cut a few times already, I suspect. That's what I think you'd have to do to get some taper or movement or anything happening.

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olive doesnt bend...olive snaps



unless its green

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Thanks Matt: As a field grower I am not really into finishing trees just creating a good foundation for another artest to work upon. This is only one of many that are already potted with many hundreds comming along in the field. I am shure that if I looked I could find one or more that would fit your cryteria for trunk movement. This material has a couple of growing habbits, the first I like and that is to form fairly quickly a knobie nebari at the roots. The second is less desirable and that is to grow a five or six foot whip that is pincle thin, It takes several years to thicken this up due to the fact that this material wants to sucker so heavly. There is a third advantage and that is the way this material will pad up and give you lots of small leaves quickly.
I have seen lots of olive materials out there but not any that rewards the artest as quickly as this does. I am looking forward to spring when we start taking material out of the field in quantity, I want to take pictures of us working on roots so people can see some of our material with out soil.

juliet-of-oz: I agree that you can snap a heavier trunk on field olive. This is a sport from the european olive and I have not had any trouble bending branches. The wonder full thing about this sport is that it buds so hard that you always seem to have a bud or branch going in the direction that you are entending to go so there is little need for wiring, but I feel that it could be done succesfully. I will have to give it a go and post some practicle results.
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Thanks Matt: As a field grower I am not really into finishing trees just creating a good foundation for another artest to work upon


Rip,

Just my personal opinion, but you are taking the term "foundation" much too literally. Giving an artist a foundation to work from isn't just a matter of giving the artist a good nebari. She needs a good trunk line too, otherwise she's got to go and put it back into the ground, and regrow the entire trunk. If she wanted to do that, she probably wouldn't be in the market for field-grown material in the first place.

I'm sure some of your trees do have nice movement. But what I don't understand is why, if you are serious about producing quality material, you are not ensuring that all of your trees have potential in this sense.

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