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14-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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My thoughts exactly. I was hoping that someone closer to you geographically would respond with advice, but that hasn't happened. Rockm is absolutely right. If the temperature in your "attic" exceed 3-4 degrees C (40 F) for more then a few days in a row, the yew will break dormancy. It will become almost impossible to provide adequate light for the tree to grow properly, and watering will become a problem as well. Yews are very tough trees and need to be outside. Even recently collected trees can survive light to moderate frosts and freezes with some protection. I would guess that your climate is not that harsh. Placing the tree against a building out of the sun and wind and mulching the pot might be enough. Dave |
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14-Jan-2008
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NoBody Special
Join Date: Dec-2007
Country: Belgium
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Are we talking about the same tree here?
Really no attack intended Dave... but the guys at the park told me to avoid direct light as best possible, infact to plant it under a Birch foilage if possible shall I plant it in an open garden with no shelter. To my presenting photos of where it is positioned (Not really wanting to share the insides of our home with the internet. Hope for you to understand), they infact preffered I moved it to the "filter lit" bit. Do you have experience with a mature Yew as a bonsai? Or are you more going through comparasion to other trees/species? Please fill me in. These guys definately know Yews... but do not know bonsai... hence my reason of question. I am not going to move the pot an inch to anywhere nor touch it until I see definate need. Black Note; Rock'm doesn't say it "will/can" break dormancy, he/she says it "has". Shall you have the time some day; can you please read my reply to him that may provide you with some aditional data? And as for the temprature save from the nights it circulates between 4 and 9 degrees and a humidity between 5 to 8 grams per kilo of air most throughout the winter. (I believe it is a better ratio than what some would have in their open garden) So I do not expect dormancy to keep on anything I store there.
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14-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK ArchMaster
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"Please do not rush yourself to post replies…
as hopefully good intended as you may be, it can be ill advice, I am very thankful in your new chosen manner of contact; however; There is no rule of: “Seen one attic, seen all of them”. It is a place we have used as a master bedroom for a good time to come, thus never freezing; in my post I have only pointed out: chilly (with a draft). I believe the humidity to be of little trouble. This segment of the house is well kept moist. I guess I best note down the digital readings of the next few days to come. It might better explain. It is pretty much the most lit place save for the centre of the court or ground. “The tree isn’t dormant and… ”: because of being indoors for two days? Usually the breaking of dormancy should take up to a week and sometimes more depending on the species... and most possibly you have not followed up on Belgian weather before your post... This plant has been out in the cold for a period well over 2 months for it to have wintered a healthy amount. Even such its need in recovery is the reason the attic was chosen: Beautiful lighting, not warm, not cold; kept moist enough. And actually sticking to the phrase of the tree “not being dormant”; Aren’t you contradicting your own words of “putting it outside” (You are proposing to put it outside right?)? Or am I missing out on something?" The advice given to you by the parks dept. was for OUTDOOR care. Recently collected trees shouldn't be placed in direct sun OUTSIDE. There is more light in the shade outdoors, however, than any amount of light you can provide indoors, short of a purpose built Halogen-based lighting system and even then that light is only strong enough within a few feet of the bulbs. An attic, no matter how humid or light you consider it to be isn't adequate for a temperate zone plant. If you do some research on indoor light and humidity levels, you will find that they are nowhere near outdoors. If you kept the humidity level adequate for a recovering tree, you would have mould and fungus growing on the walls. Your plant will soon break dormancy (if it hasn't already) since you have exposed its root mass to higher temperatures when you dug it up--the ground it was planted in was a more stable environment with greater mass than the relatively small amount of soil it's in now. It is subject to faster warm up and cool downs in a small container. If the temperature was already above freezing when you dug the plant up and hasn't dropped below freezing since, then you can probably assume the plant is already or is pretty far along in the process of breaking dormancy. The humidity levels in a house (even if you keep it "moist") approach those of a desert. Even if you have a room that has 50 percent humidity, it's not adquate for a plant that has a compromised root system--even if you think you did little damage to it in collection. Higher humidity (higher than is really practical indoors) is an important requirement for recently collected conifers. I have been collecting trees for bonsai for over a dozen years now. I would never consider keeping a recently collected tree indoors for ANY amount of time. Ask ANY experienced collector about it if you think my response is too rushed or spiteful. |
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14-Jan-2008
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 Good luck with your tree Black. It's true that yews can tolerate shade, but the humidity is an issue. I would put it under a cold frame outside with something to insulate the roots, UK weather (which can't be hugely different from yours) can change quickly, and the trouble is we can have a lot of cold snaps and late frosts. Good luck with it, your heart is in the right place.
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14-Jan-2008
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NoBody Special
Join Date: Dec-2007
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But this time I am convinced (Your time granted is very well appreciated if it means anything). I have made room in the shelter in the court but I am including increased isolation on the soil and serious coats of foam around the pot for safety sake. And I definitely plan on checking on it often. It was about 4 degree's the morning it was collected... since then the temperature has not dropped under 4 degrees nor day or night. In fact averages to 5 for night and 7/8 for daytime. (Those that may not know; shall the water be over 1 gram per kilo of air per degree it is at, then it rains... thus the humidity is high) ElGringo; Here we get a sort of early spring... and then suddenly the winter tends to repeat itself round February… a period a lot of people loose their potted plants. I plan on doing such and taking precautions similar. Black
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14-Jan-2008
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
Join Date: Jan-2005
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I have experience with yews, both as landscape trees and as bonsai. They are hardy evergreen conifers that are shade tolerant, meaning they will grow ok in less then direct light. In fact, when dormant, yews and other evergreens need little to no light. However, that doesn't mean they don't need alot of light when actively growing. In many instances, trees that have been recently collected or root pruned need to be kept out of direct sun for a few weeks as their compromised root system needs to repair itself. Generally, trees are collected or root pruned in spring time when they are awakening from dormancy and are metabolically ready to deal with these insults. The problem with your situation is that there will be inadequate light for your tree, shade tolerant as it is, to repair itself and grow properly.
The goal with any potted tree in winter is to keep it dormant as long as possible until appropriate weather conditions allow it to awaken and grow normally. This will not happen if the tree stays in the attic. It stands a better chance outside, out of the direct rays of the sun, out of the wind, with its pot mulched to protect its roots. Dave ps I just read your post. It is the best you can do...good luck. |
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18-Jan-2008
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NoBody Special
Join Date: Dec-2007
Country: Belgium
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Gardens needed...
Four yews of exact same size (thicker trunk) in a much better condition (but soft as was mine) have been listed to be dealt with.
But they have left an open door… with very reasonable rules to follow;
The trees are enlisted to be planted from dates varying to 30 years and how old they were prior is not listed. They have been periodically trimmed. This is a little “last minute”; but none the less a favour I have been granted and I would wish to notify those living in the Area. Until Sunday evening I have matters to attend out of town and lack the room they may need. So anyone interested, please private message me (Messages shall be kept confidential) within today or early tomorrow morning. Black
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18-Jan-2008
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#38 |
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Bonsai In Oak Ridge, NC
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Black, I would ignore the verbal fencing that is going on in this thread.
I would read what Dav4 posted and contact him privately for further guidance if you need it. You contact him publicly and you will continue to have people distracting from the intent of your actions and your need for information about how to deal with this tree or trees. And then---- I'd figure out a way to harvest those four trees. Enlist friends or family, pay some teenagers or something. Get those trees, opportunities like that don't come along every day. |
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19-Jan-2008
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NoBody Special
Join Date: Dec-2007
Country: Belgium
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Dave ;
Sorry for it was a dense schedule this week and I had to rush my last post to give out the news. I have not minded to ignore your post nor your time spared. I have it now under my court shed which is basically a demi-translucent Plastic Corrugated Roofing from wall to wall (open on only one side). I have some tools on the far corner where it has no effects from rain but in the mid and front of it I have a wooden grid to help isolate from the floor. It is placed on this with additional foaming and forest mulch to help keep up. The pot gets almost no benefit of the often rains, but profits well from the constant humidity and would have been very well lit even in the rear but I have it more to the front. I tend to care the soil to not dry out from the collector buckets of rain water in the evenings. Wind has very little to no claim on these parts, so I worry pretty little for it. I would hope the accomadations to be fitting unless there shall be a frost which I shall care to follow up on. Anything you see that may need a touch up in the accomadations? Mac; Things have tended to drift from what could be done, but given thought I find it understandable. Thank you for your advise, it is to be of the best ones... But I feel that any advise people as Dave or who else shall give is best to be shared shall there be need. As for the collecting of the trees… I have no intention on allowing those trees to be burnt (one way or the other). The problem in hand is my need to leave town in a few hours to come. And I must spend the next desperately preparing… my return is of very late tomorrow. I really hoped for some response… but had made plans otherwise. And would have to agree that it is an opportunity when you think of it. Thanks for your inputs! Black
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2-May-2008
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NoBody Special
Join Date: Dec-2007
Country: Belgium
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Lets get something out of the way please...
I have been away for some time with basically personal business I had to intensely attend to.
But during my absence, it seems pretty odd to have received such an amount of messages/mails through here or people that know me through other forums and so forth (Just to clarify any possibme accusations to his/her person, Rockm was not one of them). If you wouldn’t mind I would wish to address them here for one (hopefully) last time; No, I do not break into factories to save test animals and no I do not save every tree I see that needs better accommodations. So I am not a “Fighter” especially not a "warrior" to the cause. Basically I am not that brave. This is a picture of what I do; unfortunately this is all it is…  This birch was in the path of a tractor thus it was broken off God knows when and has been run over to the height of the tractor a various amount of times. Unfortunately I do not have a photo of it on the spot, but it was pretty sad and really not looking like anything but fire wood. So I brought it home, nursed it until its roots had a hold and then dressed it into the form and pot you see up there. In this state it was actually possible to find somebody that would say “Hey I would like that, I’ll care for it”. And it cost me nothing! The pot it rests in is less than a Euro (it is actually a feeding pot for a dog or something). Wait actually the stone is an aquarium stone and was not for free... .but it has been laying around for some time anyways… Thus as un magical or romantic or important as it may seem... for this little guy it was worth it's life. The point is that it is SO easy to find people that would want one of these trees’s that Rock’m would call: ‘not Junk’ or someone else would not question: “why bother”… In fact that is exactly why they are SOLD or are worth money! The choice is similar to “Do I want a kick ass breed dog, or just a four legged friend that barks?” Here is another story of a tree pretty close to where I live…    You see HERE comes the part of “Unfortunately I am not that brave”… Because I just couldn’t jump over that simple fence to rescue that guy. Unlike the Yew, this one was in an area I was not allowed to enter. And by the time of my photographing it and asking for permission; it already got grounded and covered with cement to the beams level. So; just as I had to answer to those that saw me as a freedom fighter of some sort… my answer to those that DECLARE me to be the guy that steels every tree he owns; NO, I respect borders much more than you would expect. Unfortunately I do. Another example of what I do that seems very odd... Is that I annually collect trees people throw away after their Christmas celebrations, and plant them in the wild. I simply HATE it! Chopped Christmas trees is another matter... but those with roots and a pot... show SOME pity for God sake! Usually I leave them as is,  but if they are too big to take to such locations with my bicycle, I trim the tops off…  In addition to the needless accusations; I have access to a great variety of “breed dogs” as well as “ancient/aged antiques”… in fact because of working in the botanical park here where I live and sparing the wild seedlings that are meant to be thrown away; the majority of plants I have in my personal possession would be far from being anything the average Joe would have even heard of. In fact some may be plants even enthusiasts have not yet seen or possessed. So; Honestly I do not NEED to steel any tree… in fact I do not have ROOM for new plants!! I am doing this completely for reasons I presume it is needless to expect everyone to understand. Not a hero here, not trying to be; not a treasure hunter, nor trying to be. I hope this clarifies some set of matters. Black
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