Road-Kill, an unfortunate Taxus... (Warning - Embedded Pics)

kingkong

I read don't use urine if older than 24 hours. It turns into ammonia and will burn plants. But dilute fresh 10-15 parts to one makes great fertilizer esp. if you take multiple vitamins and eat allot of red meat.

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mattbonsai1

Hi Black,

Good call, although it would of been better to ask permission first, and suggest that you will re-plant a healthier specimen for them, it's still a good call.

As for the comparison made by Bonsaifreak, I think this case is completely different, BonsaiFreak asked for it and was told point blank, No, because they liked it themselves, and if BonsaiFreak was to then go ahead and steal it, it would be completely moraly wrong. In Blacks case, there was no sign that the tree was actually wanted, and he has suggested that he Will plant a brand new specimen in its place, Although he went the wrong way about it, I think this is better then asking, being told no, then stealing.

Anyway, I think that tree would make a very good tree, over here, we have loads of large old Quercus, Fagus, taxus and salix, that grow a relatively long stem, then have multiple large branches coming off at one point, and getting thinner as they carry on up the tree in this fashion, forming a rounded grown to the tree, with well layered branches.
I think this is a good way to take this tree, if it survives (to help this, I would suggest putting the tree under shelter, still outside, and water it manually, allowing the soil to dry a little between waterings to avoid rot of the roots). I have done a little paint drawing of the branch structure and intended foliage.

-Matt-

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Black

Baaad day… Everybody was (though confused) so kind, understanding; even supportive…
Buuuut;
I seem to have some very disappointing news over the matter.
The softness of the wood was not normal and evidently there was not a sign of termites or parasites similar.
There seems to be no particular reason to why this condition may have occurred, but he did not see it worth risking waiting to take actions.
The guy said that he would have to examine all of the trees from the area that I had collected it from and that possibly all that seem to have similar a state will have to be removed.
Even though he said that it as not seemingly something incurable the city would not want to invest on it and that the standard protocol would be followed.

I volunteered for their nursing with daily visits… but he speculated that the cold would not do well anyway.
I asked then permission to move them to my court where I sheltered the one in mention. But he said that this time it was going to have to be a different story. He would most possibly have to report the plants sick for their immediate care (There are particular pruning, planting, transplanting schedules he told me that they have to stick to) and not wait for spring.

Now for those that don’t know what happens when plantations are reported sick: they are burned on removal.
(I dare not find out how many of them are such)


I had a 15-18 year old nursery yew of same common cultivar with me (these guys are more expensive than I anticipated).
He pointed out that it was not any longer necessary… I said that I didn’t want to carry it back and asked to donate it (It just didn’t feel 'right' to not give it). He said that I could leave the ill tree to free space; I said I would prefer to take it if I could. He sort of said it's okay: “I will have to burn it”
In the end I have the tree; but I honestly feel like manure (not allowed to right the other version it seems)

Every weekend I have to pass that place to take our son; Including tomorrow. I am not too looking forward to it.

Please don’t tell me that you are of those that like to type more than reading! I have to agree that there is a lot to read, thus I can understand; but I doubt you would find anything I have written that says or provokes the contrary.

I think I am of those selfish types that like to play hero… and add constantly that you should do what I say but not what I do My sympathies to your neighbours case. I had one similar… we befriended them and brought them into our world of bonsai. I gifted a bonsai for him to try out some stuff on, and he was ever so happy. I ended up receiving the tree as a gift… which I nursed for some time, but gifted back (I could not believe I did it!!! But I really felt good) and he gifted my bonsai with it’s new form. I can not say I would go for the same form, but I is a form he chose and that declares it special.

Kong;
Crtitique is not my worry it is more in the lines of:
“Those that see the sky through it’s reflection in water; also think that the fish swim in tree branchs”.
There was no evidence for a witch hunt need. My reaction was to it.

I wish no war; “peace man”.

Antonio;
Well I am not doing too well in regards to this tree. I don’t know if you had time to read the above update.

I cherish your kind words and your support, although I have to agree with most said. I think I would do it again, and that would make me a criminal… but if something comes out of it I usually find the prices worth paid.

I’ll definitely try to update you.

Matt;
That just about looks like what I intended to go for originally, but recently as I examined it I am in doubts to go for air layering it to get three shohins out of it instead or not.

I had to carve some more deadwoods which would clear the budge a good bit more, but I dared not stress the tree any more.

About the sheltering bit… I was not too sure of leaving it outside so I moved it to the attic (ours is EVERYTHING but dark) where it is chillier to the rest of the house and has well filtered lighting that I think would do better.

Do you think it would be better to leave it outside? The reason for the attic being chillier is due to bad insulation and there being notable drafts… so some what like outside with some more warmth and protection… but I am still in doubts.
For the watering… oh I always manually water… don’t have an automatic system for it and this one I follow up on closely.




Thank you all for the time you have spared. The tree is now resting and I would wish it to rest for at least until summer before I do anything more than watering or feeding.
I will upload photo's as it developes though.

Black

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mattbonsai1

Black,

When I said under shelter, I meant in a porch, or under a work bench, to stop the elements getting to it, but still far away from any heat source. This way you can water it when necessary, and not when mother nature feels like it.

I am by no means an expert on growing hardy trees indoors, but I have read several times that keeping an outdoor tree, indoors, no matter how cold the room, is not a good thing, plus the reduced humidity inside a house may cause increased Transpiration, drying out the tree because it is less able to absorb the same amount of water as is being lost due to a lack of roots.

-Matt-

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Deb

It sounds like you are a very compassionate person. Have you ever considered the pain and suffering that the animals of this world receive at the hands of man(kind?)? Look and see what happens to them by checking out Peta's websights. Your dinner steak had a face, your omelette came from a bird who's life was spent in misery and filth. Share your compassion with the dogs and cats of the world. That tree will probably grow for many, many years to come thanks to you. There are animals all over the world who would like to have some of those years.

Regards,

Debby

Black

Matt;
I was very tired yesterday and had to sit to work with a pampered de-moral (if there is such a term)… but now as I spent the night thinking things over I think I am going to keep it in the attic where I find it safe and moist enough for routine check ups.

I am neither an expert; but have experience in a good variety of plants…
A mature yew on the other hand is something very new to me and hoped for possible experts here.
I am planning on visiting the botanical park to talk with some people over it the following week.

Deb;
I endorse your empathy to such sufferings that are invisible to most eyes that wish not to see…

It is going to be a subject way out of the threads intention; but I can say that I am not against meat eaters...; that would be against being “natural”.
I am though against cruelty to those that do not have choices of their own, this stretches from the dogs skinned alive in a meat market to look fresh to the customer to people that shout at owners when a dog pees on a corner (It wouldn’t have been a building corner had we not taken it from the forest!).
Simplest of all I resent people exterminating an insect because they find it irritating, or simiallar.

I take my share of donating (not money… something more valuable: time) for animals as well… usually those not cute enough or “worth steeling” enough to care for.
But as I just said; it is a little off topic.


Black

I know that most of you are probably thinking… “He is going to try and remove all the other trees before the inspection team gets to burn them”.
If I try to be a selfish ‘hero’ again; I doubt I would share it... but it seems unlikely to happen: I can NOT say that I have not tried putting together a series of plans to “How”… But it seems just too complicated now with my introducing myself, putting those that bent the rules for me in trouble, and more importantly; I just don’t have enough room.
I have how ever applied to apply to higher people for applying for volunteering their care.

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Deb

[QUOTE=Black]Matt;
I was very tired yesterday and had to sit to work with a pampered de-moral (if there is such a term)… but now as I spent the night thinking things over I think I am going to keep it in the attic where I find it safe and moist enough for routine check ups.


Deb;
I endorse your empathy to such sufferings that are invisible to most eyes that wish not to see…

It is going to be a subject way out of the threads intention; but I can say that I am not against meat eaters...; that would be against being “natural”.
I am though against cruelty to those that do not have choices of their own, this stretches from the dogs skinned alive in a meat market to look fresh to the customer to people that shout at owners when a dog pees on a corner (It wouldn’t have been a building corner had we not taken it from the forest!).
Simplest of all I resent people exterminating an insect because they find it irritating, or simiallar.

I take my share of donating (not money… something more valuable: time) for animals as well… usually those not cute enough or “worth steeling” enough to care for.
But as I just said; it is a little off topic.


Black


I am sorry for going off topic, but when I saw you remark about the tree being a life worth saving I just couldn't prevent myself. And I'm so glad to hear that "you have nothing against meat eaters" because it sounds like you must be a vegetarian then. Three cheers for you!

rockm

Don't put the tree in your attic. It will die up there. If it's above freezing, the tree isn't dormant and requires more light than you can provide indoors. Additionally, it needs outdoor humidity. The air inside a house is pretty arid. Attic air also does not circulate, or doesn't circulate enough to keep this tree healthy much less recover from the trauma of collection.

anttal63

best time is in the morning (1st one when you wake ) into a bucket then fill the rest with water and water a tree. some years ago i lived on a large property where i had planted a hundred odd trees around the boundary. each morning a tree would be fed. it worked a treat.

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