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Old 30-Oct-2004   #1
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Gary,
That procumbens , pic #15628, has a VERY interesting trunk(s). I'd sure like to see a couple close-up shots from around different sides.
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Old 31-Oct-2004   #2
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Dale,

I will post some macros and side shots.

In the mean time, here are a few shots of it fron last Fall and early this Spring that I had on my hard drive.

It's an urban yamadori I rescued during a city remodeling project a number of years ago. I just happened to be driving by and there were about 50 of them laying on the sidewalks surrounding the project in the 90º hot sun. I took as many as I could but this is the only one that survived.
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Dale,

I went out and took some pics of that Procumbens nana.

The original front has been changed a couple of times. The back can also be the front with just a little wiring.

Sorry for the shadows. This is the first day we have had sun in a week or so!
That morning sun was really bright.

•Front
•Back
•Left
•nebari-right
•from above left front
•Right

I forgot to upload the "Right" picture in the original batch the so they are out of order.
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Here's some macros of the nebari.

•Nebari right front
•Nebari left front
•Nebari right
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Old 31-Oct-2004   #5
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This "throw out" plant material appears to be just packed full of possibilities. It is REALLY tough to sort it all out in these 2D photos. Several views look full of potential. I guess If I had a piece of advice to give in future planning I would tell you to think about which ever view or trunk tilt best hides the straight and fairly thin trunk you see in first sets of pics that appears just above all the deadwood jumble. It's kind of hard to tell just what is what with trunks but it LOOKS like if you could shorten that part with some slowly adjusted jacks or turnbuckles that it would be outstanding. Also, I think another pot would really enhance it. You could still keep round until you decide on your best front but a little less volume.
Lookin' good.
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I pulled these posts into their own thread.

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Thanks Matt.

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LOOKS like if you could shorten that part with some slowly adjusted jacks or turnbuckles that it would be outstanding. Also, I think another pot would really enhance it. You could still keep round until you decide on your best front but a little less volume.


Dale,

What are you refering to that could be shortened? The thin trunk or the deadwood?

The deadwood is problematic in that it's hard as a rock and each piece has a live vein on it.

As far as a pot. I'm trying to thicken up that trunk. I have a pot I think it will look pretty good in but I still have my eyes open. If you have any suggestions........they are welcome and will be appreciated.

In the meantime, here are some older photos with less foliage that show the shari configuration better for your contemplation. It's like a snake.

The first photo shows the live veins and where they lead.
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Old 1-Nov-2004   #8
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[QUOTE=GaryS]Thanks Matt.



Dale,

What are you refering to that could be shortened? The thin trunk or the deadwood?

What I meant to shorten is the straight long piece of trunk going up center without any branches. Some curves/coils would help shorten up.


The deadwood is problematic in that it's hard as a rock and each piece has a live vein on it.

Those are both "Good things" as Martha would say!


As far as a pot. I'm trying to thicken up that trunk. I have a pot I think it will look pretty good in but I still have my eyes open. If you have any suggestions........they are welcome and will be appreciated.

Listen, you've Got the stock, it's nice, go from there, you aren't going to appreciably thicken the trunk up any in that pot over a better correct pot.
Since it has several POSSIBLE fronts, or, looks good from several views I see nothing wrong with the old idea of a round pot, just a pot of less volume, or, maybe even a slab, although they are a nightmare for care.


In the meantime, here are some older photos with less foliage that show the shari configuration better for your contemplation. It's like a snake.

This style" is VERY reminiscent of the current styling mode of Euro artists. If you look in any Euro Bonsai issues you see this coily/twisty motif over and over. I LIKE IT!
BTW, In my opinion, the Euro Bonsai mag is the best one out there ESPECIALLY if you live in a region with hardy trees. I live in NE Ohio and everything in the mag is stuff I grow and very seldom Japanese/Chinese imported material. Mostly Euro Yamadori-ish stuff.

It's VERY hard to sift through these small 2D pics but in the last set I like 15692 best ( I think it's the same view as first 15667 but more foliage) I also like 15670 and 15672 very much, why do I like these three photos because you can't see that straight thin trunk inside. This is what you need to change, or failing that, disguise.
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I like 15692 and 15667 the best too. That's the current front.

This juniper grows so fast I have to constantly thin it. I have to dig up some pics from when I collected it off the sidewalk and the first couple of years and scan them. That trunk has thickened quite a bit since then.

There's just no way around it. Bonsai take time.
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"I like 15692 and 15667 the best too. That's the current front.

This juniper grows so fast I have to constantly thin it."

Gary,
I forgot to mention in my last long post. The REASON pic 15692 looks better to me than the same view #15667 is that the thicker foliage hids the trunk better. In MY opinion this tree needs to be fuller as in your later photos which are all more appealing due to being fuller. i think, and it could just be me, but the very first photo where it's the thinnest or "trimmedest" is the least attractive. but, in the later photos where you say it needs trimmed, the tree looks better and , I guess i'd say, physically bigger, meaning, it looks like bigger stock without anything to give you scale. I like that! And, most of all, it hides that straight trunk.
My opinion, use that front and let tree get thicker in foliage and reduce size of pot.
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