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Old 21-May-2007   #1
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To ponder a Ponderosa
This past weekend Shady Side Bonsai hosted it's study/work group. Usually we take material, discuss, and ponder the design possibilities. Then try a bring it to fruition. I have posted before and after pictures of a Ponderosa for you. What would you have done differently all comments are welcome and virts if you feel so inclined. The material was purchase at the Mid-Atlantic Convention from Andy Smith a month or so ago.
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Old 21-May-2007   #2
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I like the way that you have made the tree more "compact". Nice use of a ponderosa many would have struggled with. The only question I have is why the anges of the first and second branches are constructed so differently? I think if the flow of these two branches could be more harmonious it would make a very nice composition that much nicer. Thanks for sharing.
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I don't mean this as bad, but I DEFINITELY did NOT see that result from the before photo.

It still has a way to go, but I'm not certain how ruthless you can be with Ponderosa. Its probably best, with all that bending, that you didn't remove anymore of the low branch.

Mind describing whats going on with that bar ...tied/wired/...secured to the trunk?

ps. by the way, nice styling.
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Thanks for the comments John. I'm assuming you meant something more like this. Good eye ..... you were right!

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Mind describing whats going on with that bar ...tied/wired/...secured to the trunk?


bwaynef, Ponderosa are very flexible. Hence the drastic curlicues. The down side is ... they also spring back when preloaded like that. #6 copper alone won't hold it in place. Guy wires were contemplated but there wasn't enough anchor points to pull it off. So I decides on a brace instead. Hopefully after a year, I can revert back to guy wire instead. Then wait till the next millennium for it to take a set.

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Yes, it does. Remember this was an initial styling. A exercise in obtaining a basic shape, conceptualizing an image from raw material. It will take about 5 years for this little guy to take a set. So there is plenty of time for further refinement.
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That is much better. With the thickness of ponderosa "twigs/branches" it can be hard to get the flow tright. Nice improvement of a "difficult" 9at first look anyway) tree. I think this one will pop well and it is certainly not overworked.

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In editing my last post before I posted it, I was going to allow for this being an initial styling but somehow that statement got misplaced. I meant nothing negative by the statement.

Thanks for the follow-up.
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bwaynef,

Didn't take it as negative. I appreciate your input. By posting this thread I was just trying to get peoples gray matter moving ..... there is always more than one solution to a puzzle.
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Flexible little develis. Harold Sasaki showed me the technique of using an extremely sharp blade to cut down through the cambium on the areas of extreme bends to help develop scar tissue to hold it. I know he didn't invent the technique, he just used it very well.
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Tom,

Quite a transformation and I like it! I'm amazed at how flexible ponderosa pines can be and have often wondered how long until major bends like that take to set. Interesting idea that John pointed out, the scarring to help keep things in place.

Thanks for sharing, would love to see some shots from a few other angles to see just how it looks from other sides.
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Graydon, Yep, these buggers are very obliging when it comes to cranking one in all different directions. The first time I saw one worked they were bending a trunk about as thick as your wrist. They of course were using some mechanical help, but still they did it without the slightest hint of a crack or pop. I was awe struck! Which in turn made me want to try it.

Your wish is my command, find a new set of pictures below showing the 4 sides.

Thanks for the comment.


John, regarding scarring tissue for a faster set. Care to share Harold Sasaki technique? I have contemplated doing so, and actually have on small branches. The problem I run into is that on trunks I wrap with raffia 90% of the time to preserve the bark. So with out being able to see a notch line up together or having raffia get into the tissue when its bent. I have shy-ed away from that. I guess the other alternative would be to cut the raffia and then scar, which might make using the raffia a bit difficult.

So your insight into this would be appreciated.
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