OMC's First White Pine - bonsaiTALK Community

14-Oct-2004	#21
Attila Attila Soos Join Date: Jan-2002 Location: Los Angeles, California Country: USA Posts: 2,003	Very nice. I wanted to say that on the second picture looks like the lower trunk and the top 5 - 6 inches of the apex are almost perfectly parallel, which may not look the best. But on the update picture the position of the apex has changed for the best. Regards, Attila

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15-Oct-2004	#22
Carl_Bergstrom Old Mister Crow Join Date: May-2002 Location: Seattle, WA. Country: USA USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 3,197	While this thread is back alive, let me ask for your opinion. I need to repot this tree again in spring 2005 to work the old soil out of the back half of the root ball (I replaced the front half last spring). When I do, I will probably move it out of its current mica pot into something nicer. Any suggestions about pot selection? While Bonsai NW has pretty good selection, I didn't find the ideal match for this tree last spring and I decided to go back into this current pot at that time. If I get my act together now I can order something from an even larger supplier. Best regards, Carl __________________ In love with trees

15-Oct-2004	#23
Will_Heath BANNED Join Date: Apr-2004 Location: Clinton Township, MI Country: USA USDA Zone: 6 MI AHS Heat Zone: 4 Posts: 4,227	Carl, Being a pine freak and collector of many types, I took the liberty of printing your white pine and putting it above my monitor a few days back. First let me say that you have done a good job dealing with the whorls common to this species. The root structure is very pleasing and the trunk has the start of some very nice movement. I think that after the ramification and reduction takes full effect on this pine, you are gonna have a real eye pleaser here. Is the lower right branch a sacrifice branch or will it be part of the end vision? Very nice Carl, A great piece of work! Will

15-Oct-2004	#24
Carl_Bergstrom Old Mister Crow Join Date: May-2002 Location: Seattle, WA. Country: USA USDA Zone: 8 AHS Heat Zone: 2 Posts: 3,197	Thanks, Will. The lower right branch is a sacrifice. The lower left could possibly go as well, though for now I'm inclined to leave it. We'll see. Best regards, Carl __________________ In love with trees Last edited by Carl Bergstrom : 15-Oct-2004 at 05:46 PM.

15-Oct-2004	#25
heymikey(deceased) bonsaiTALK Master Join Date: Oct-2002 Location: East bay, Ca. Country: USA USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 7 Posts: 400	heyCarl; If the purpose of a sacrifice branch is to augment growth, why have the tree in a bonsai pot?

15-Oct-2004

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Carl_Bergstrom

Old Mister Crow

Join Date: May-2002

Location: Seattle, WA.

Country: USA

USDA Zone: 8

AHS Heat Zone: 2

Posts: 3,197

Quote:

Originally Posted by heymikey

heyCarl; If the purpose of a sacrifice branch is to augment growth, why have the tree in a bonsai pot?

The primary reason is that (for me, anyway) this tree is now at the development/refinement stage. Indeed I bought it specifically so that I could work though and learn about the development and refinement stages from my teacher.
It's got a good lower trunk, with taper and movement and the coarse textured back that takes so long to develop on white pine. (Yes, this is on its own roots, not on black pine). It's tall enough, and thick enough, for the time being.

So what are the main things that need to happen next with this tree? It's already got nice tertiary branching; I need to preserve and develop this. I need to push it to bud back further into the interior and I need to develop tighter foliage pads (before I acquired it, it had gone too many years without meticulous wiring and needle pruning). I need to change some of the branch angles, and I need develop the apex. None of these things can be attained easily while allowing the tree to enjoy unconstrained growth.

Why leave the sacrifice branch on at all? Because I'm not going to be showing this tree in the near future, because the sacrifice branch doesn't interfere with the main developmental tasks described above, and because and all else equal, it'll look even better with a bit of extra girth and taper.

Best regards,
Carl

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16-Oct-2004	#27
Emperor Fish Bonsai Otaku Join Date: Nov-2002 Location: Hants Country: England USDA Zone: 8 ish AHS Heat Zone: 2-3 Posts: 570	OMC, I think that you could wire up that sacrifice branch to try to give it the biggest auxin signal you can, don't pull needles and don't mess with the candles giving it the greatest chance of still thickening the trunk a little, while at the same time developing/refining the rest of the tree. Something I've been doing on one of my white pine for the last couple of years. Just a thought. Regards, Fish. __________________ Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. HEALTH WARNING: Engage brain fully, before typing into keyboard. "We are the average gamers and we'll kill you badly. There'll be no finesse. no fancy tricks, no inventive attacks, just 2 whole smg clips and a rain of 'nades."

5-Jul-2005

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