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11-Mar-2003
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Looks really nice, Mittar. Good movement.
If it were mine, I'd snip off that branch on the inside of the lower curve, and let the opposite branch on the outside grow out as a first branch. I'd plant it in a growing box (I know, just what you wanted to hear!) I'd chop it back just above the branches immediately above the chop scar, and build a new apex. I'd let the lowest branch grow freely for a year or two to thicken the lower trunk and develop taper, then cut back and develop branching further in. Here's a rough picture, rotated in the pot with foliage removed but none added, and with the blue line indicating my imagined new trunk line. Best regards, OMC
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In love with trees Last edited by Carl Bergstrom : 11-Mar-2003 at 02:26 AM. |
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11-Mar-2003
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Mittar,
One thing you'll have to consider here is, that if you plan on putting it in a grow box soon, don't style it now. The two are incompatible. The purpose of the grow box is to fatten it up, and it won't fatten up unless you let it grow up and out, and you can't do that if you already styled it. Many people don't realise that the grow box is a place between the tree growing wild on its own and the tree in its bonsai state. Your actually letting it grow wild, but only to a certain point so that it doesn't get away from you. You can do a trunk chop, but forget about the finish style for now. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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11-Mar-2003
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Perpetual beginner
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I think I understand Thomas.
However, I don't want this tree to get too big. It is in fact a shohin. So if I were to put it in a growbox, how would I create taper on this small scale? Would I keep the leader to the height I want it and let the branches grow wild? Starting with the bottom branch in order to fatten the bottom first. The only club I have access to meets on a school night, so you guys and your explanations help me more than you know. Cheers, Mittar |
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11-Mar-2003
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Mittar,
I guess the next thing you'll have to decide on is whether you want a shohin with a massive trunk, which in this case you'll need to just let it grow and forget about any leader at this point. when the trunk gets to the thickness that you were looking for then you do your trunk chop. The tree will then start budding all over the trunk and you pick your new leader from these. Leaving it in your grow box, you'll begin to style it there. By letting the roots have as much room as they need, your trunk chop will heal really fast. The other alternative is to start a new leader now and by using your lower branch, allowing that to thicken up the trunk somewhat. You'll never really have a massive trunk with this method though, because you will be restricting its growth. With the first method comes the patience you heard so much about. This will take a few years, but the satisfaction will be worth it. So I guess the decision will be yours. I hope I'm explaining this well enough. It's hard sometimes to put things in writing and hope that everyone will understand what your trying to say. If you need more clarity, let me know.
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12-Mar-2003
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OMC, I am at a loss here. In most of your posts you have shown much more of a liking to more naturalisticly styled trees. In this post the elm as offered is exactly that. If the trunk were a little fatter and the branches a little fatter and the plant had just a little more ramification, this would be a plant ready for the show pot.
Now here is where it really gets sticky. In you hasty virtual you have made your case for a moyogi styled tree with pine like branches. In other words, make an 'S' curve and place the branches at the ends of the outside curves and style it to a pointy apex. Am I reading you correctly here or is there something I am missing? I in fact am trying to get away from styling every tree whether deciduous or conifer from looking like a cookie cutter pine. Frankly, I was shocked!! Al
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12-Mar-2003
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Old Mister Crow
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Al, I'm guilty as charged - here, and in my backyard as well (see the picture below). I do like naturalistic trees, very much. I also aspire to be able to fashion nice "cookie cutter" shohin as well and I thought, perhaps foolishly, that others would feel similarly. Part of the key here is to figure out how to make an elegant and sustainable naturalistic tree, and to be honest, I don't see how given that trunk line. (But that's why I'm Old Mister Crow and not Walter Pall.) How would you fashion this one to be naturalistic (as opposed to unstyled)? I'd love to see a virtual. --- What was really interesting to me about your comment was that I'd unconsciously been doing this in my own back yard as well. Here's a "cookie cutter" beech that I bought last year as a seedling in about the same stage of development and shaped just a few weeks ago. Before......and after. Talk about bad wiring jobs!!! I've really been humiliating myself on this forum lately Ah well, all in the name of Art. (Just kidding, just kidding....) Oh, and yes, I already put it into a growing box! Last Saturday, in fact. All the best, Old Mister
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In love with trees Last edited by Carl Bergstrom : 12-Mar-2003 at 02:27 AM. |
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